Date:         Tue, 28 May 2002 18:36:33 -0700
Reply-To:     Larry Chase <lchase@ATTGLOBAL.NET>
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From:         Larry Chase <lchase@ATTGLOBAL.NET>
Subject:      Re: Tom Carrington - take note  was: IS THE LIST GETTING SMALLER?)
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Tom and all,

Guess I'd like to weigh in (with Karl, Chris & others)  on the side of
forceful moderation of the list to the published rules.

While I appreciate each member and most of their contributions .... at times
(recently) things have taken a bit of a mean spirited direction.

True, life is balanced .... but not sure this really needs to be represented
here.

I come here to tap into the vast Vanagon intellectual capital that exists no
where else. As long as that's available, I will not shy away.

But it would make for a much more pleasant experience if we didn't have to
deal with the mean spirited digressions.

Just one  members' "Point of View".

P/S ... Tom C ..... in spite of this .... I'm very appreciative of all the
work and hours you put in for the list. Many heartfelt thanks.

Larry Chase
85 Westy "RoadHaus"
CA soon to be AZ

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>>> Date:    Tue, 28 May 2002 08:15:17 -0700
From:    Karl Wolz <wolzphoto@WORLDNET.ATT.NET>
Subject: Tom Carrington - take note  was: IS THE LIST GETTING SMALLER?

While I appreciate the camaraderie of the list, I gotta admit that the last
couple wars (I pay taxes so the road's mine" & something else), I was on the
verge of quitting this mess.

I've met some great folks here and communicate with a few of them off-list
(met several, too!), but it really is a bit of an emotional strain watching
this thing occasionally trying to tear itself apart.  I'd kinda like to see
TC take a bit stronger action against those who have absolutely no regard
for the rules of the list.

When I joined (two years ago, I think), there were a lot of off-topic posts,
just like there are now, but they weren't mean-spirited or political.  The
signal to noise ration was comfortable,much like sitting down to dinner with
friends who share a common interest; if I had a question about how to fry a
catfish (poor example) I would likely get a useful and civil answer from one
quarter or another. <<<

>>> Karl Wolz <<<