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Date:         Thu, 23 May 2002 20:41:45 -0400
Reply-To:     80 Westy Pokey <pokey@VANAGON.ORG>
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From:         80 Westy Pokey <pokey@VANAGON.ORG>
Subject:      Re: Volks Cafe Big Bumpers
Comments: To: Stan Wilder <wilden1@JUNO.COM>
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Hey Stan I will take a front and rear bumper. You still in Texas? I need to know where to send the $600.

Thanks, Chris

---- Original message ---- >Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 19:30:08 -0500 >From: Stan Wilder <wilden1@JUNO.COM> >Subject: Re: Volks Cafe Big Bumpers >To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM > >You are talking just like a man that has never welded anything, owned a >pipe bender, notched a piece of pipe. >Any muffler shop can bend schedule 40 pipe on their Huth pipe bender >......... anybody that has any hustle could build both the front and back >bumper in four hours and hand them to you to haul to the powder coaters. >The Projecktwo drawings with dimentions are here on my computer if you >want them (server will strip them but you can have them P- mail). >I've got about 40 years of experience in metal working and anything over >about $299.00 each is a RIPOFF. >I've owned and operated every piece of equipment required to turn out a >set of bumpers like the Projektwo jobbies. >Then there is the welders labor *Hable Espanol ?*, they work for peanuts. >In the real world its easy to see why everybody screws VW owners >......... they're asking for it. > > >Stan Wilder > >On Thu, 23 May 2002 17:11:50 -0700 Brent Christensen ><sbsyncro@HOTMAIL.COM> writes: >> Yes, these prices do seem exhorbitant when you compare them to a >> Smittybilt >> bumper for a Chevy truck. The big difference is the cost of >> producing the >> jigs and plans, and then amortizing that over the number of units >> that you >> will sell (as well as the cost of the materials in the bumper >> itself). As >> you can imagine, the market for Syncro bumpers is a little smaller >> than for >> Jeeps or Chevy trucks. :-) >> >> When you are dealing with mandrel-bent large diameter steel tubing, >> you >> either need a very expensive piece of equipment, or you need the >> services of >> a shop that has one. These shops tend to charge about $20 to $50 >> PER BEND >> for these jobs. Now, if you are building a double tube bumper, then >> you >> have at least about 10 to 12 of these bends. Multiply that by $30 >> per bend >> and you have $300 or so in just bending. Now add the material, >> welding, >> and a little bit of profit, and it is pretty easy to see why these >> bumpers >> get into the $1,000 range pretty easily. >> >> This is one of the reasons why custom bumpers that are NOT made from >> mandrel >> bent steel tubing are often cheaper. (they are made just from cut >> and >> welded steel sections). But then you have the labor of making the >> welds, >> grinding them so that they are perfectly smooth, then powder coating >> the >> whole thing. (Oh yea, that costs about $100 too). Professional >> welders >> usually charge $65 to $150 per hour for work, so... >> >> This is one of the reasons I do not have spiffy bumpers on my Syncro >> - the >> custom ones don't look good enough to justify the $$ in my opnion. >> I am >> considering a rail road tie, but I can't figure out the winch >> mounting >> setup.... >> >> Brent Christensen >> '89 Syncro Westy >> Santa Barbara, CA >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Stan Wilder" <wilden1@JUNO.COM> >> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM> >> ent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 4:44 PM >> Subject: Re: Volks Cafe Big Bumpers >> >> >> > I don't think the deal gets much better even if you deal with the >> > president a the vice president. >> > You can give it a try though, they are Ben Dover and C Howit >> Fields. >> > >> > Stan >> > >> > On Thu, 23 May 2002 18:15:58 -0500 Stan Wilder <wilden1@JUNO.COM> >> writes: >> > > I think the layman term for $1018.00 bumpers is *ripoff*. >> > > >> > > Stan Wilder >> > > >> > > On Tue, 30 Apr 2002 17:55:29 -0500 Chris Hinkle >> > > <chris_hinkle@HOTMAIL.COM> writes: >> > > > Folks, >> > > > Does anyone have these bumpers? >> > > > >> > > > http://volkscafe.com/bigbumpers.html >> > > > >> > > > According to Volks Cafe, they were designed based on the >> > > Projektwo >> > > > bumpers, >> > > > but don't have the diamond pattern step on top. >> > > > >> > > > They are $850, plus $100 for installation, and $68 tax. >> > > > >> > > > The tow hitch is class 3. Can sbdy please explain what that >> means >> > > > in >> > > > layman's terms? >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > Thanks, >> > > > >> > > > Chris >> > > > '87 Westy Tiico >> > > > >> > > > >> _____________________________________________________________ ____ >> > > > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: >> > > > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> _____________________________________________________________ ___ >> > > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! >> > > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! >> > > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: >> > > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. >> > > >> > >> > _____________________________________________________________ ___ >> > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! >> > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! >> > Join Juno today! 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