Date:         Thu, 23 May 2002 19:47:02 -0500
Reply-To:     Stan Wilder <wilden1@JUNO.COM>
Sender:       Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From:         Stan Wilder <wilden1@JUNO.COM>
Subject:      Re: Volks Cafe Big Bumpers
Comments: To: pokey@vanagon.org
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I got so stinking rich I retired.
Here are the front bumper drawings, I'm looking for the rear bumper
drawings.
Nobody but pokey will get this drawing.
Take the drawings to a muffler shop ........ you don't need any stinking
cold extruded tubing, just use schedule 20 or 40 black pipe.

Stan

On Thu, 23 May 2002 20:41:45 -0400 80 Westy Pokey <pokey@vanagon.org>
writes:
> Hey Stan I will take a front and rear bumper. You still in
> Texas? I need to know where to send the $600.
>
> Thanks,
> Chris
>
> ---- Original message ----
> >Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 19:30:08 -0500
> >From: Stan Wilder <wilden1@JUNO.COM>
> >Subject: Re: Volks Cafe Big Bumpers
> >To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> >
> >You are talking just like a man that has never welded
> anything, owned a
> >pipe bender, notched a piece of pipe.
> >Any muffler shop can bend schedule 40 pipe on their Huth
> pipe bender
> >......... anybody that has any hustle could build both the
> front and back
> >bumper in four hours and hand them to you to haul to the
> powder coaters.
> >The Projecktwo drawings with dimentions are here on my
> computer if you
> >want them (server will strip them but you can have them P-
> mail).
> >I've got about 40 years of experience in metal working and
> anything over
> >about $299.00 each is a RIPOFF.
> >I've owned and operated every piece of equipment required
> to turn out a
> >set of bumpers like the Projektwo jobbies.
> >Then there is the welders labor *Hable Espanol ?*, they
> work for peanuts.
> >In the real world its easy to see why everybody screws VW
> owners
> >......... they're asking for it.
> >
> >
> >Stan Wilder
> >
> >On Thu, 23 May 2002 17:11:50 -0700 Brent Christensen
> ><sbsyncro@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> >> Yes, these prices do seem exhorbitant when you compare
> them to a
> >> Smittybilt
> >> bumper for a Chevy truck.  The big difference is the cost
> of
> >> producing the
> >> jigs and plans, and then amortizing that over the number
> of units
> >> that you
> >> will sell (as well as the cost of the materials in the
> bumper
> >> itself).  As
> >> you can imagine, the market for Syncro bumpers is a
> little smaller
> >> than for
> >> Jeeps or Chevy trucks.   :-)
> >>
> >> When you are dealing with mandrel-bent large diameter
> steel tubing,
> >> you
> >> either need a very expensive piece of equipment, or you
> need the
> >> services of
> >> a shop that has one.  These shops tend to charge about
> $20 to $50
> >> PER BEND
> >> for these jobs.  Now, if you are building a double tube
> bumper, then
> >> you
> >> have at least about 10 to 12 of these bends.  Multiply
> that by $30
> >> per bend
> >> and you have $300 or so in just bending.   Now add the
> material,
> >> welding,
> >> and a little bit of profit, and it is pretty easy to see
> why these
> >> bumpers
> >> get into the $1,000 range pretty easily.
> >>
> >> This is one of the reasons why custom bumpers that are
> NOT made from
> >> mandrel
> >> bent steel tubing are often cheaper.  (they are made just
> from cut
> >> and
> >> welded steel sections).  But then you have the labor of
> making the
> >> welds,
> >> grinding them so that they are perfectly smooth, then
> powder coating
> >> the
> >> whole thing.  (Oh yea, that costs about $100 too).
> Professional
> >> welders
> >> usually charge $65 to $150 per hour for work, so...
> >>
> >> This is one of the reasons I do not have spiffy bumpers
> on my Syncro
> >> - the
> >> custom ones don't look good enough to justify the $$ in
> my opnion.
> >> I am
> >> considering a rail road tie, but I can't figure out the
> winch
> >> mounting
> >> setup....
> >>
> >> Brent Christensen
> >> '89 Syncro Westy
> >> Santa Barbara, CA
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Stan Wilder" <wilden1@JUNO.COM>
> >> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
> >> ent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 4:44 PM
> >> Subject: Re: Volks Cafe Big Bumpers
> >>
> >>
> >> > I don't think the deal gets much better even if you
> deal with the
> >> > president a the vice president.
> >> > You can give it a try though, they are Ben Dover and C
> Howit
> >> Fields.
> >> >
> >> > Stan
> >> >
> >> > On Thu, 23 May 2002 18:15:58 -0500 Stan Wilder
> <wilden1@JUNO.COM>
> >> writes:
> >> > > I think the layman term for $1018.00 bumpers is
> *ripoff*.
> >> > >
> >> > > Stan Wilder
> >> > >
> >> > > On Tue, 30 Apr 2002 17:55:29 -0500 Chris Hinkle
> >> > > <chris_hinkle@HOTMAIL.COM> writes:
> >> > > > Folks,
> >> > > > Does anyone have these bumpers?
> >> > > >
> >> > > > http://volkscafe.com/bigbumpers.html
> >> > > >
> >> > > > According to Volks Cafe, they were designed based
> on the
> >> > > Projektwo
> >> > > > bumpers,
> >> > > > but don't have the diamond pattern step on top.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > They are $850, plus $100 for installation, and $68
> tax.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > The tow hitch is class 3. Can sbdy please explain
> what that
> >> means
> >> > > > in
> >> > > > layman's terms?
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Thanks,
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Chris
> >> > > > '87 Westy Tiico
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >>
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