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Date:         Sun, 26 May 2002 12:08:54 -0500
Reply-To:     "Terry K." <CTONLINE@WEBTV.NET>
Sender:       Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From:         "Terry K." <CTONLINE@WEBTV.NET>
Subject:      Re: Best van ever designed (was: Why do we love that damn van so
              much...)
Comments: To: Stan Wilder <wilden1@juno.com>
In-Reply-To:  Stan Wilder <wilden1@juno.com>'s message of Sun, 26 May 2002
              10:32:59 -0500
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OK--Stanley--your on---

I'll come up with names, address's and phone number's----

Then what are you going to do?

Call them and tell them what a toilet they have?

Hmmmm---

Maybe I'll skip the phone number's---:>)

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From: wilden1@juno.com (Stan Wilder) Date: Sun, May 26, 2002, 10:32am To: CTONLINE@webtv.net Cc: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM Subject: Re: Best van ever designed (was: Why do we love that damn van so much...) running example's ........... So give me the name of one person you know personally that is running one. I actually know where one is ...... been under restoration for ten years but it isn't a driver. Next item ........ that is STANETHULE not Stantowski. I've been to Florida many times, right in the heart of the money belt and in 33 years of going there and staying in Motor Home Parks I've never seen one of those GMC lead sleads in a park after about 1978. I admit I never expect to find them in the little State and Core of Engineers parks I go to but, Spring Break in Ft. Lauderdale or Padre Island, I'd expect to see one once in a while. There are "Snow Bird" RV parks in McAllen and Brownsville Texas that owners leave their units all year and just come for the winter months .... I don't see any there. If I were a dealer for the replacement parts for those GMC's I'd have hung myself years ago. Stan On Sun, 26 May 2002 10:10:22 -0500 (CDT) CTONLINE@webtv.net (Terry K.) writes: Whoa--Stantowski--- Air Stream Suspension? Wrong answer--- Air Bag Suspension----way ahead of their time-- Borrowed from semi tractors---not air stream trailer's---- If the front end is GREASED, and maintained , just as in the Vanatoilet's---it was a durable set up--- And if half of the yo-yo's kept the proper air pressure in the heavy front ended unit's, the tire's would last one hell of a lot longer than 10,000 turns-- There are many of these GMC's around here----not just parked--running example's Where do you come up with this stuff? Besides the GMC motorhome, I'm also kinda fond of the Prevost line of land yacht's-- Detroit, Cat, Cummins Powered, with an Allison transmission, air ride all the way around, 11x22.5's on polished aluminum Budd wheels---yea baby, this is the way to fly-:>) A freind of mine has one---art deco interior---black marble john---trick---neat--marvelous----awe inspiring----and fast---- Later, Terry E-mail message Most of these vans are not on the road! I see them all the time in junk yards. If you're seeing more than two a year on the road I'd be surprised. You might be seeing them parked under a shed or beside a house or barn but on the road; I doubt it. Those things were lead sleds with Air Stream Rear Suspension and bunches of stolen Air Stream features that GMC managed to tipple the weight on. That 10,000 mile set of front drive tires was a major killer of maintenance. NO! I've never had one. That is one mistake I never made. Stan Wilder On Sun, 26 May 2002 07:26:34 -0700 "Phil S." <napszeerf@YAHOO.COM> writes: "> The best... has to be the cabover current-model (1989-present) Toyota Hiace." Sounds like a great vehicle, But round here a "cabover" is called a "Class C" and is not considered a Van. If we are going to compare apples and oranges Ill take a 79' GMC 26' Motorcoach, front wheel drive 455cid Olds and a top speed of 80mph AND...great handling. check out the GMC history page: http://www.gmcmotorhomes.com/catalog/page00.html Most of these motorhomes are still on the road becouse they were designed to be tough as nails by an air craft engineer that worked for GMC. Phil --- Andrew Grebneff <andrew.grebneff@STONEBOW.OTAGO.AC.NZ> wrote: ITS THE BEST VAN EVER DESIGNED.....EVER No way. Not looked at objectively. The body is great, the suspension is great (and therefore the handling). But it is seriously let down by unreliable mechanicals, poor electrics and crap-quality plastics and switchgear; unergonomic controls. The cargo bay is compromised by the engine hump; this could probably have been deleted by having no ancillaries atop the engine and a slightly higher floor. The best... has to be the cabover current-model (1989-present) Toyota Hiace. Solid, safe, reliable, big, ergonomic everything, decent handling, available with a huge variety of engines, body types, 3 different van wheelbases and levels of trim from bare bones to ultraluxurious. And a flat cargo bay floor. All it lacks is an IRS option, though upmarket versions get torsionbar rear, and walkthrough. 4WD optional, including full-time and part-time versions. And with good looks to top it off, and Toyota's top-quality ergonomics, plastics, switchgear, fit and finish. Available with full camper conversions, including poptops. Toyota Hiace Engines 2.0 gas 2.4 gas 2.0 diesel 2.4 diesel (turbo oprtion) 2.8 diesel 3.0 EFI turbodiesel Auto or 5-speed manual; floorshift or column cartspring or torsionbar rear SWB, MWB (=VW length) or LWB RWD, part-time 4WD, full-time 4WD normal or high roof top-hinged normal tailgate or (rare) dual vertical-hinged doors single or dual sliders optional small rear wheels with no wheelarches intruding into floor electric locking, windows, morrors, dual aircon etc -- Andrew Grebneff 165 Evans St, Dunedin 9001, New Zealand <andrew.grebneff@stonebow.otago.ac.nz> Seashell, Macintosh, VW/Toyota van nut ______________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ______________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! 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