Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 01:11:56 -0500
Reply-To: Stan Wilder <wilden1@JUNO.COM>
Sender: Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From: Stan Wilder <wilden1@JUNO.COM>
Subject: Re: True Grit---
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Get you foot off my neck!
Wow! I hope you get laid soon.
Stan
On Tue, 28 May 2002 00:54:03 -0500 (CDT) CTONLINE@webtv.net (Terry K.)
writes:
> Ok--I changed my mind----
>
> Lifetime roadside assitance, and no less than an 8" elbow, Polish
> air
> conditioning PVC air scoop, hanging out the rear window, and the
> bicycle
> it's pictured with, and you have a deal----
>
> And one more clause---all the lug nuts have to be new--and I want to
> see
> the receipts for them from a reputable source, like direct from VW
>
>
> E-mail message
>
>
> That is the one I drive ..............
> So start naming parts and most likely I'll be able to tell you that
> its
> new on that Westy.
> I see generic 80-83 Air Cooled being sold as buyer beware in the
> $6500.00 range and I just know that I'd sell this one to God without
> any
> remorse. Guarantees ....... not likely. I see the way the rest of
> the
> world behaves on the Interstate Highways.
> I can't remember ever turning the engine over 4000 Rpms and I read
> on
> the list that people think they have a sweet spot at 4500 on an Air
> Cooled ......... yes sure, the cam dies at 4200.
> If somebody pays my price they'll take care of that Westy or ask
> Daddy
> for money to fix it.
> The others I've sold were in the $3500.00 range and might have
> brought
> more if they had already been on the West Coast.
> Stan
> On Tue, 28 May 2002 00:22:20 -0500 (CDT) CTONLINE@webtv.net (Terry
> K.)
> writes:
> You don't try and make a killing?
> The green Weenie is advertised on you web page for $10500.00------
> Does this include a lifetime towing, road assistance, and bumper to
> bumper warrantee?
> Gott in Himmel---
> Du Bist Verruckt !!!
> E-mail message From Stan Wilder
> My Westy out front must mean I buy Vanagons. I normally have two
> Westies
> in the drive, my personal unit and one I'm restoring so they think
> I'll
> but theirs and they try to sell them to me. I've turned down every
> Waser
> Boxer that was offered to me and one was an 89 Wolfsburg that was a
> beauty, I turned it down at $800.00 and the guy that bought it got
> it
> for $650.00.
> I didn't even give it a good look see but externally and the
> interior
> was very nice, showing about 88K on the speedo. I know I could have
> parted it out for a profit but my neighborhood is
> 250K homes and I'm just not going to crap on my neighbors by parting
> out
> a van from my home.
> The problem is that:
> #1) I'm way,way upside down in my 83 Air Cooled Westy. #2) The
> Wolfsburg
> was just a 7 person hauler, not much demand in Texas. #3) I'm
> sitting on
> enough parts to restore about any 80-83 Air Cooled Westy that comes
> my
> way.
> #4) I know that the Waser Boxer engine requires expert rebuilding
> and I
> don't have the equipment or experience to do a rebuild. #5) Just
> generally speaking the Vanagons are just not popular in Texas and
> have
> "Zip 0" resale value.
> Certainly there will be Waser Boxer Vanagon owners in Texas that
> will
> disagree but I just speak from what I see. The first thing I get
> from a
> Waser Boxer seller is several price reductions immediately. I've
> never
> had to discount one of my restored Westies. Course I don't try to
> make a
> killing on them either.
> Stan
> On Tue, 28 May 2002 00:05:00 -0400 jhlauterbach
> <jhlauterbach@MSN.COM>
> writes:
> Stan, you are most correct. When I bought my '84 in May '97, I paid
> $500
> +
> 30 sales tax. I have spent over $5K over the past 5 years getting it
> in
> shape, and I still have a paint job to do. Of course, I have driven
> it
> to/from work most of the time that I have had the van. John
> Lauterbach
> Macon, GA
> '84 7-passenger
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Stan Wilder" <wilden1@JUNO.COM>
> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
> Sent: Monday, May 27, 2002 11:31 PM
> Subject: Re: True Grit---
> It was not my intention to strike fear in the hearts of every
> Vanagon
> and
> Westy owner with my statement about spending your purchase price
> again
> within a year of buying your vehicle.
> I've never purchased an Air Cooled Vanagon and Westy from a list
> member
> and most of the people that sell the vans are just members of the
> general public and are not list members. I've found that the
> sellers
> have just reached their maximum level of
> endurance for keeping their vehicle running. In many cases of
> Westies
> I've purchased to resurrect or Vanagons I purchased for an
> economical
> parts source the vehicles have had extensive and expensive repairs
> and
> maintenance done on them by local and even authorized VW dealers. I
> find
> one new head or often a VW Factory rebuilt engine and all kinds
> of signs of recent new fuel pumps, ignition systems, brakes and
> every
> other potential repair.
> The glove box often has a good supply of repair tickets and parts
> receipts.
> Along with the stack of receipts I find many potential reasons for
> the
> engine failure, this list is lengthy but I'll list a few; Engine
> Seal
> Missing, Muffler Heat Shield Missing, Dropped Valve Seats, Hammered
> out
> Valve seats, leaking cylinders, over tightened lifters, jumpers on
> the
> full throttle switch, massive vacuum leaks everywhere, wrong spark
> wires
> and wrong spark plugs, running Automatic Transmission Oil with the
> engine oil to quieten lifters, running 10/30 motor oil.. Since I
> don't
> pay retail on these dead units it is very easy to double my
> investment
> very quickly if I have to buy new parts to bring them back to a safe
>
> dependable vehicle.
> I quickly doubled my investment on my 83 Westy after I bought it in
>
> 1995. I'm guilty of driving it like a normal car, pushing the speed,
>
> overworking the engine and just in general making those miles
> without
> really knowing anything about the proper care and maintenance. After
> I
> blew #3 cylinder and bought a new set of heads in 1996 I started
> getting
> a little smarter and started taking care of the little things before
>
> they *stopped me in my tracks*,
> I managed to get 140K out of the existing, recently rebuilt engine
> after
> the above repairs over a periods of four years. I nearly wore out
> the
> roads to the lakes and 500 miles a weekend was never a problem. I
> managed to log a lot of miles going to Vicksburg MS and lots of
> trips to
> Houston from Dallas.
> I require myself to say this ......... If I had known how a really
> good
> rebuilt engine would improve the vehicle, I'd have installed one the
> day
> after I bought the Westy.
> I suffered through about five years with just marginal performance
> and a
> fair amount of tinkering trying to peak out a marginal engine. Stan
> Wilder
> 83 Air Cooled Westfalia
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