Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 09:36:24 -0700
Reply-To: Debra Clark <clark10006@COX.NET>
Sender: Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From: Debra Clark <clark10006@COX.NET>
Subject: Re: Tom Carrington - take note was: IS THE LIST GETTING SMALLER?
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I, for one, although I'm sure I'm not the only one, would hate to see the
few ruin this valuable resource for the many. I am relatively new to
Vanagons and this list was instrumental in preparing me for my initial
purchase and also has been the greatest comfort in my new ownership.
Through this list I found a great, local mechanic and the expertise and
encouragement to try minor repairs and modifications. I couldn't and
WOULDN'T have bought a vanagon without this list. My thanks goes to the
many who have helped me avoid many pitfalls and pulled me through others.
Some of these folks may have "flamed-up" from time to time but that's not
what I remember about them. Maybe if we remember how fun and useful this
list really is, we won't let "our fingers do the talking" next time we read
the inevitable incendiary post.
Debra Clark
Santee, California
clark10006@cox.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Karl Wolz" <wolzphoto@WORLDNET.ATT.NET>
To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 8:15 AM
Subject: Tom Carrington - take note was: IS THE LIST GETTING SMALLER?
> While I appreciate the camaraderie of the list, I gotta admit that the
last
> couple wars (I pay taxes so the road's mine" & something else), I was on
the
> verge of quitting this mess.
>
> I've met some great folks here and communicate with a few of them off-list
> (met several, too!), but it really is a bit of an emotional strain
watching
> this thing occasionally trying to tear itself apart. I'd kinda like to
see
> TC take a bit stronger action against those who have absolutely no regard
> for the rules of the list.
>
> When I joined (two years ago, I think), there were a lot of off-topic
posts,
> just like there are now, but they weren't mean-spirited or political. The
> signal to noise ration was comfortable,much like sitting down to dinner
with
> friends who share a common interest; if I had a question about how to fry
a
> catfish (poor example) I would likely get a useful and civil answer from o
ne
> quarter or another.
>
> The only big issue back then was one on gun control and the big
Arkady/Nazi
> thing. Now we seem to be skirting the edges of divisiveness on a weekly
> basis. I don't know if the old balance is retrievable, but I'm most
likely
> not hanging around much longer if these same folks are going to continue
to
> tear things apart. We've lost a lot of talented individuals, and to
> continue to do so is a pity.
>
> Chris, thanks for bringing this up, as it has been on my mind for a while
> and you got me off the dime to comment on it.
>
> Karl Wolz
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chris Stann" <ChrisS@INFORMS.COM>
> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 7:32 AM
> Subject: IS THE LIST GETTING SMALLER?
>
>
> > Greetings fellow Vanagonites.
> >
> > While attending the fine Full Moon in June event in North Carolina I had
> an
> > opportunity to talk to a few EX-list members. Interestingly enough all
of
> > them left because of the excessive RANTING and non-vanagon related
banter.
> > All of them mentioned the "veggie-wars" and "latina-driver" flame wars
> that
> > were indicative of the intolerant, narrow-minded, and outspoken
minority
> of
> > the list.
> >
> > Surely, if a few people I met quit the list, dozens more I have not met
> must
> > have done same for like reasons. I myself have "set vanagon nomail".
> >
> > Is this a sign of the end? Is the ship sinking? IS THE LIST GETTING
> > SMALLER?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > Chris
> > '85 Westy
> > "Hey mister, you bought a camel and you want it prance like a stallion?"
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