Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 13:29:37 -0500
Reply-To: Stan Wilder <wilden1@JUNO.COM>
Sender: Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From: Stan Wilder <wilden1@JUNO.COM>
Subject: Re: Exaust Systems
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I respect that you want to be environmentally conscious.
However you are throwing your money away if you're excluded from
extensive emissions testing.
I don't have a picture of the whole system and due to the dark
environment of the engine bay it is difficult to photograph the engine
bay EGR components.
The easiest way to say it is:
#1) There is an EGR valve that mounts on the air distribution box.
#2) There is an adjustable rod that goes from the EGR to your Throttle
body.
#3) There is a piece of bent pipe that goes from the EGR to a sheet metal
pass through port.
Those are the NLA parts and those are the ones that aren't pictured often
by vendors since they can only furnish them if they have them in very
limited supply as used parts.
Not much point showing them and then saying "Sorry Bout that" a few times
a day.
I know that the winters are tough and the salts consume under car parts
pretty quickly.
The econemy of blocking that environmental good guy cell in your brain is
that you can buy four of the S&S headders systems for the price of one
Federal System with the EGR hardware.
I'm sending two pictures:
#1) EGR valve w adjusting rod.
#2) Stock VW Heat exchangers
If you've got heat in the winter more than likley you've got the Heat
Exchangers.
Stan Wilder
On Tue, 28 May 2002 13:56:00 -0400 "Russell, William"
<william.russell@UW-INC.COM> writes:
> Stan,
>
> I'm just not sure what the EGR stuff is, whether I have it, and
> whether
> I need it.
>
> \/\/i!!y
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM] On
> Behalf
> Of Stan Wilder
> Sent: May 28, 2002 13:19
> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> Subject: Re: Exaust Systems
>
> That is very true about used parts but if you want to return to OEM
> system with the EGR valve, pipe and adjustment rod you are SOL
> because
> these parts are not available new.
> I hope my abreviation hasn't confused you.
> I'll be here waiting for you to tell me that Bus Depot can only
> furnish
> the under car parts.
>
> Stan Wilder
>
> On Tue, 28 May 2002 10:45:05 -0400 "Russell, William"
> <william.russell@uw-inc.com> writes:
> > Stan,
> >
> > In Ontario, vehicles older than 20 years do not have to undergo
> > emissions testing. Mine is a 1980 so I am free from that. I
> would
> > like
> > to be environmentally conscious if possible, but if it's making
> no
> > difference than forget about it. My concern buying used parts is
> > how
> > long I can expect them to last. I want to restore my Westy to a
> > good
> > strong vehicle. If I finish the exhaust, I want it to be
> finished
> > for a
> > long time. If I use used parts don't I risk needing to replace
> > them
> > again in a year?
> >
> > \/\/i!!y
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Stan Wilder [mailto:wilden1@juno.com]
> > Sent: May 28, 2002 10:29
> > To: william.russell@UW-INC.COM
> > Cc: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> > Subject: Re: Exaust Systems
> >
> > William........... the cheapest way to go is the S&S Header
> System
> > and
> > if
> > you don't have to deal with Emissions Inspections then this is
> > probably
> > what you should buy.
> > As far as ceramic coating, don't waste your money the weakest
> link
> > is
> > one
> > tiny pinhole that rots out.
> > If you've got to have a Federal System to pass inspections then I
> > can
> > help with some of the obsolete no longer available parts.
> >
> > Stan Wilder
> >
> > On Tue, 28 May 2002 10:16:47 -0400 "Russell, William"
> > <william.russell@UW-INC.COM> writes:
> > > Greg,
> > >
> > > Thanks for all the advice! I know this is a stupid question,
> but
> >
> > > what
> > > is the EGR portion of the exhaust?
> > >
> > > \/\/i!!y
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Greg Marshall [mailto:earthboy@rogers.com]
> > > Sent: May 28, 2002 09:34
> > > To: Russell, William; vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> > > Subject: Re: Exaust Systems
> > >
> > > Here's my take on the situation.
> > >
> > > First of all, get yourself a new pair of heater boxes. The
> heater
> >
> > > boxes
> > > (or
> > > exchangers) bolt directly onto the heads. E-mail Stan Wilder.
> I
> > > think
> > > he
> > > has a goiod used pair. Next, order an S&S header and muffler
> like
> >
> > > this
> > > one.
> > >
> > > http://www.gexintl.com/48s&sheaders4.htm
> > >
> > > Bolt this onto the heater boxes and you're done. Easy, simple,
> > > cheap,
> > > and
> > > you'll improve your horsepower.
> > >
> > > Other things to check out are the engine tin, and the metal
> tubes
> >
> > > that
> > > complete the heating system. If the exhaust has been truly
> > > dismantled
> > > and
> > > screwed around, these may be gone. You need them. there are
> two
> >
> > > tubes
> > > that
> > > come off of the heater boxes. One from each end. They brong
> cool
> >
> > > air
> > > in
> > > from the alternator blower, and take warm air away, out to the
> > heat
> > > control
> > > valves. As far as engine tin, you should at the very least
> have
> > the
> > > two
> > > bottom pieces that cover the pushrod tubes.
> > >
> > > Don't worry about putting a cat back in. If it didn't have
> one,
> > > don't
> > > add
> > > one.
> > >
> > > The alternative is rebuilding the system as it came from the
> > > factory,
> > > which
> > > would be really expensive unless you can score the whole system
> > > used.
> > > The
> > > crossover pipe alone is in the 300 dollar range if you can even
> > > find
> > > one.
> > >
> > > Only consideration with this setup is what to do with the EGR.
> I
> >
> > > don't
> > > have
> > > one, so I'm not to sure, but I think you could likely get rid
> of
> > > it.
> > > Not my
> > > area of expertise. (o2 sensors though, ....just ask me!)
> > >
> > > I'm a big fan of the S&S header. Extra power, nice sound, and
> > very
> > > simple.
> > > If you can afford it, get it professionally ceramic coated
> before
> >
> > > you
> > > put it
> > > on, it'll last much longer.
> > >
> > > You can handle the job on your own. If you have any questions,
> > > just
> > > send me
> > > an e-mail,
> > >
> > > Greg
> > > 82 Westy.
> > >
> > > "Russell, William" wrote:
> > >
> > > > There is just no end to the stuff that I want to fix on my
> > Westy.
> > > The
> > > > exhaust system is horrible. Apparently, a PO was in Mexico,
> > > suffered
> > > > problems, and had a mechanic bastardize the system any way he
> > > could.
> > > > I'd like to consider replacing the whole system. I'd like to
> go
> >
> > > high
> > > > quality and original parts if at all possible. I guess I
> need
> > > whatever
> > > > the bits coming off the engine are (help!), the heat
> exchangers,
> >
> > > the
> > > > crossover, muffler, tailpipe, et cetera. I have a few
> > questions:
> > > >
> > > > Any recommendations on who to buy it all from? Past
> > experiences?
> > > >
> > > > I currently have no catalytic converter. I think my Westy
> was
> > > built
> > > for
> > > > Canada. Can I add one now? Should I? I'd like to be
> > > environmentally
> > > > responsible if at all possible.
> > > >
> > > > Can I do this myself? I don't have a welding torch. I'm
> pretty
> >
> > > good
> > > > with problem solving and tools but I'm new to working on
> > vehicles.
> > > I
> > > > have a brother-in-law who's a mechanic that I might be able
> to
> > get
> > > to
> > > > help if I need him.
> > > >
> > > > Anything else I should take into account?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > \/\/i!!y
> > > >
> > > > 1980 Westy "Jazzy"
> > >
> >
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