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Date:         Wed, 29 May 2002 12:30:30 -0500
Reply-To:     Stan Wilder <wilden1@JUNO.COM>
Sender:       Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From:         Stan Wilder <wilden1@JUNO.COM>
Subject:      Re: Air Cooled Alternator (Was: aux battery draining primary)
Comments: To: pokey@vanagon.org
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I'd take what you have to a professional rebuilder and try to trade up. Stick with independents and you'll find someone that is a lot smarter than you and me about alternators.

Stan

On Wed, 29 May 2002 13:23:48 -0400 80 Westy Pokey <pokey@vanagon.org> writes: > Stan you are an air cooled guru. Any thoughts on upgrading > the alternator? > > Thanks, > Chris > > ---- Original message ---- > >Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 11:39:30 -0500 > >From: Stan Wilder <wilden1@juno.com> > >Subject: Re: Air Cooled Alternator (Was: aux battery > draining primary) > >To: pokey@VANAGON.ORG > >Cc: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM > > > >Start at the back of your van: > >Alternator belt ..... tight? > >Not burnt on the edges? > >Blue wire with the square connector plugged in? > >The two wires to your starter on nice and tight? > >With the ignition off, remove the negative cable from the > battery. > >Tap it a few times to the terminal, there should be very > little arcing. > >You can put an amps gauge between to negative battery > terminal and the > >negative cable and read the amps, you shouldn't get hardly > reading of > >draw. > >With the battery reconnected check any accessory electrical > lug on your > >fuse panel with the ignition switch off, you can just do > this with a neon > >test light ....... you shouldn't get any light. > >If you do it'll be your ignition switch that is bad. > >Also if accessories have been added like driving lights, > additional horns > >the relay sometimes stays closed and draws current, even if > the accessory > >doesn't operate unless the ignition is on or the accessory > position is > >actuated. > >Your AFM has a switch (tiny points) that run your fuel pump, > they should > >be open when the actuator rod is in neutral location. > >If you have a battery cutout devise, be sure its wired to be > active only > >with the ignition switch in the run position. > >(I'm dead set against additional solenoids at the starter > and additioinal > >batteries but I hope this has been of some use to you.) > > > >Stan Wilder > >83 Air Cooled Westfalia > > > > > >On Wed, 29 May 2002 12:16:08 -0400 80 Westy Pokey > <pokey@VANAGON.ORG> > >writes: > >> But the clock, radio, etc. draw already. What is normal? > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Chris > >> > >> ---- Original message ---- > >> >Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 09:17:02 -0400 > >> >From: Jay L Snyder <Jay.L.Snyder@USA.DUPONT.COM> > >> >Subject: Re: Air Cooled Alternator (Was: aux battery > >> draining primary) > >> >To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM > >> > > >> >Put an ammeter across the neg. cable and the neg. post to > >> see if any > >> >current is flowing. This will show any leakage. > >> > > >> > > > >> Jay > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >80 Westy Pokey <pokey@VANAGON.ORG>@gerry.vanagon.com> on > >> 05/29/2002 > >> >08:59:58 AM > >> > > >> >Please respond to 80 Westy Pokey <pokey@VANAGON.ORG> > >> > > >> >Sent by: Vanagon Mailing List > <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com> > >> > > >> > > >> >To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM > >> >cc: > >> >Subject: Re: Air Cooled Alternator (Was: aux battery > >> draining primary) > >> > > >> > > >> >There was no fridge relay per se, but I bought the EXACT > same > >> >relay and used it for the install. > >> > > >> >The fridge switch is NOT in the 12V position, so I can't > >> >understand why the battery is draining. Plus the aux > battery > >> >(from the admittedly micky mouse LEDs on the fridge stove > >> >unit still has a partial charge). > >> > > >> >The alternator is a seperate problem that is just making > >> >things worse. > >> > > >> >Thanks, > >> >Chris > >> > > >> >---- Original message ---- > >> >>Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 08:33:23 -0400 > >> >>From: "Vanagon man" <vgonman@msn.com> > >> >>Subject: Re: Air Cooled Alternator (Was: aux battery > >> >draining primary) > >> >>To: "80 Westy Pokey" <pokey@VANAGON.ORG> > >> >> > >> >>Did you use the existing fridge relay or install another? > >> >If you used the > >> >>existing one, then i can help.....let me know. > >> >> > >> >>PS the brush box is available anywhere..vanagain has > them. > >> >The problem lies > >> >>within your wiring. It wounds like you have them in > >> >parallel. The > >> >>alternator output is not the issue, it is the way it is > >> >wired. I have had > >> >>my aux battery wired for 2 years with stock alternator > with > >> >nothing but 2 > >> >>fully charged batteries. > >> >> > >> >>PS using the fridge on 12v drains any battery fast, ant > it > >> >is not very > >> >>efficient. Propane is the way to go. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >>Adam P > >> >> > >> >>81 Vanagon Westy (The Brick) > >> >>70 Single Cab "Whitey" > >> >>74 Beetle "Ol Yeller" > >> >>73 Transporter (STILL at paint shop) > >> >>1988 Vanagon Wolfsburg > >> >>Used Vanagon Parts for sale (mostly aircooled) > >> >>----- Original Message ----- > >> >>From: "80 Westy Pokey" <pokey@VANAGON.ORG> > >> >>To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM> > >> >>Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 8:24 AM > >> >>Subject: Air Cooled Alternator (Was: aux battery draining > >> >primary) > >> >> > >> >> > >> >>> OK, my alternator is certainly part of the problem so > >> >rather > >> >>> than repaire I would like to upgrade. > >> >>> > >> >>> I searched the Vanagon archives and checked out Tom's > VW > >> >>> Pages: > >> >>> http://volksweb.relitech.com/90alt.htm > >> >>> > >> >>> But most upgrades are for WBX. Anyone ever upgrade an > air > >> >>> cooled Alternator? > >> >>> > >> >>> Anyone have any comments on my aux battery below? > >> >>> > >> >>> Thanks, > >> >>> Chris > >> >>> > >> >>> ---- Original message ---- > >> >>> >Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 21:38:09 -0400 > >> >>> >From: 80 Westy Pokey <pokey@vanagon.org> > >> >>> >Subject: Is my aux battery draining my primary? > >> >>> >To: vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com, > >> >the_bug_pack@yahoogroups.com, > >> >>> type2@type2.com > >> >>> > > >> >>> >I thought I hooked up my second battery right. Given > the > >> >>> >fact that it was totally dead today I clearly didn't. > >> >>> > > >> >>> >Before I get into the battery let me also say that I > ALSO > >> >>> >suspect my alternator brushes to be worn out. Anyone > know > >> >>> >the partnumber for the replacement cartridge? > >> >>> > > >> >>> >Anyway... I jump started the vehicle and as soon as I > >> >>> >unhooked the negative terminal the engine died. This > >> >happend > >> >>> >twice. So the battery was DEAD. > >> >>> > > >> >>> >Now here is how the second battery was hooked up. > First > >> >off > >> >>> >remeber this is a 1980 westy, with no stock second > >> battery > >> >>> >and no relay under the drivers seat. > >> >>> > > >> >>> >Secondly, I don't know much about electrical systems > and > >> >>> >hooked this up with someone else's instruction. I > won't > >> be > >> >>> >able to follow a complex answer, nor is my > explanation of > >> >>> >the setup complex. > >> >>> > > >> >>> >1) The black sheath to the fridge was cut to do the > >> >install. > >> >>> >The rear part has a red wire (with an inline fuse) > and a > >> >>> >white wire. The front part has a blue and a red. The > red > >> >was > >> >>> >one wire before it was cut and the blue and the white > >> were > >> >>> >also the same wire. > >> >>> > > >> >>> >2) The rear portion of the sheathed wire, the one > with > >> the > >> >>> >white and the red is setup like this: The red goes > from > >> >the > >> >>> >inline fuse to the positive terminal on battery > number 2. > >> >>> >The white goes to some kind rectangular clear > connector, > >> >>> >then on the other side of the connector the wire turns > >> >blue. > >> >>> >That blue wire goes to the 86 on the relay... then > >> >continues > >> >>> >to the front part of the sheathed wire and dissapears > >> >under > >> >>> >the drivers seat. > >> >>> > > >> >>> >3) The red from the front sheathing goes to the 85 on > the > >> >>> >relay. > >> >>> > > >> >>> >4) There is a wire running from the 87 on the relay > to > >> the > >> >>> >positive terminal on battery number 2. > >> >>> > > >> >>> >5) There is a wire running from the 30 on the relay > to > >> the > >> >>> >positive terminal on battery number ONE. > >> >>> > > >> >>> >I just cant figure out where the power is being sucked > >> >from. > >> >>> >Any ideas? > >> >>> > > >> >>> >Thanks, > >> >>> >Chris > >> >>> > >> > > > >_____________________________________________________________ > ___ > >GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > >Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > >Join Juno today! 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