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Date:         Wed, 29 May 2002 13:23:48 -0400
Reply-To:     80 Westy Pokey <pokey@VANAGON.ORG>
Sender:       Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From:         80 Westy Pokey <pokey@VANAGON.ORG>
Subject:      Re: Air Cooled Alternator (Was: aux battery draining primary)
Comments: To: Stan Wilder <wilden1@juno.com>
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Stan you are an air cooled guru. Any thoughts on upgrading the alternator?

Thanks, Chris

---- Original message ---- >Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 11:39:30 -0500 >From: Stan Wilder <wilden1@juno.com> >Subject: Re: Air Cooled Alternator (Was: aux battery draining primary) >To: pokey@VANAGON.ORG >Cc: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM > >Start at the back of your van: >Alternator belt ..... tight? >Not burnt on the edges? >Blue wire with the square connector plugged in? >The two wires to your starter on nice and tight? >With the ignition off, remove the negative cable from the battery. >Tap it a few times to the terminal, there should be very little arcing. >You can put an amps gauge between to negative battery terminal and the >negative cable and read the amps, you shouldn't get hardly reading of >draw. >With the battery reconnected check any accessory electrical lug on your >fuse panel with the ignition switch off, you can just do this with a neon >test light ....... you shouldn't get any light. >If you do it'll be your ignition switch that is bad. >Also if accessories have been added like driving lights, additional horns >the relay sometimes stays closed and draws current, even if the accessory >doesn't operate unless the ignition is on or the accessory position is >actuated. >Your AFM has a switch (tiny points) that run your fuel pump, they should >be open when the actuator rod is in neutral location. >If you have a battery cutout devise, be sure its wired to be active only >with the ignition switch in the run position. >(I'm dead set against additional solenoids at the starter and additioinal >batteries but I hope this has been of some use to you.) > >Stan Wilder >83 Air Cooled Westfalia > > >On Wed, 29 May 2002 12:16:08 -0400 80 Westy Pokey <pokey@VANAGON.ORG> >writes: >> But the clock, radio, etc. draw already. What is normal? >> >> Thanks, >> Chris >> >> ---- Original message ---- >> >Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 09:17:02 -0400 >> >From: Jay L Snyder <Jay.L.Snyder@USA.DUPONT.COM> >> >Subject: Re: Air Cooled Alternator (Was: aux battery >> draining primary) >> >To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM >> > >> >Put an ammeter across the neg. cable and the neg. post to >> see if any >> >current is flowing. This will show any leakage. >> > >> > >> Jay >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >80 Westy Pokey <pokey@VANAGON.ORG>@gerry.vanagon.com> on >> 05/29/2002 >> >08:59:58 AM >> > >> >Please respond to 80 Westy Pokey <pokey@VANAGON.ORG> >> > >> >Sent by: Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com> >> > >> > >> >To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM >> >cc: >> >Subject: Re: Air Cooled Alternator (Was: aux battery >> draining primary) >> > >> > >> >There was no fridge relay per se, but I bought the EXACT same >> >relay and used it for the install. >> > >> >The fridge switch is NOT in the 12V position, so I can't >> >understand why the battery is draining. Plus the aux battery >> >(from the admittedly micky mouse LEDs on the fridge stove >> >unit still has a partial charge). >> > >> >The alternator is a seperate problem that is just making >> >things worse. >> > >> >Thanks, >> >Chris >> > >> >---- Original message ---- >> >>Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 08:33:23 -0400 >> >>From: "Vanagon man" <vgonman@msn.com> >> >>Subject: Re: Air Cooled Alternator (Was: aux battery >> >draining primary) >> >>To: "80 Westy Pokey" <pokey@VANAGON.ORG> >> >> >> >>Did you use the existing fridge relay or install another? >> >If you used the >> >>existing one, then i can help.....let me know. >> >> >> >>PS the brush box is available anywhere..vanagain has them. >> >The problem lies >> >>within your wiring. It wounds like you have them in >> >parallel. The >> >>alternator output is not the issue, it is the way it is >> >wired. I have had >> >>my aux battery wired for 2 years with stock alternator with >> >nothing but 2 >> >>fully charged batteries. >> >> >> >>PS using the fridge on 12v drains any battery fast, ant it >> >is not very >> >>efficient. Propane is the way to go. >> >> >> >> >> >>Adam P >> >> >> >>81 Vanagon Westy (The Brick) >> >>70 Single Cab "Whitey" >> >>74 Beetle "Ol Yeller" >> >>73 Transporter (STILL at paint shop) >> >>1988 Vanagon Wolfsburg >> >>Used Vanagon Parts for sale (mostly aircooled) >> >>----- Original Message ----- >> >>From: "80 Westy Pokey" <pokey@VANAGON.ORG> >> >>To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM> >> >>Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 8:24 AM >> >>Subject: Air Cooled Alternator (Was: aux battery draining >> >primary) >> >> >> >> >> >>> OK, my alternator is certainly part of the problem so >> >rather >> >>> than repaire I would like to upgrade. >> >>> >> >>> I searched the Vanagon archives and checked out Tom's VW >> >>> Pages: >> >>> http://volksweb.relitech.com/90alt.htm >> >>> >> >>> But most upgrades are for WBX. Anyone ever upgrade an air >> >>> cooled Alternator? >> >>> >> >>> Anyone have any comments on my aux battery below? >> >>> >> >>> Thanks, >> >>> Chris >> >>> >> >>> ---- Original message ---- >> >>> >Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 21:38:09 -0400 >> >>> >From: 80 Westy Pokey <pokey@vanagon.org> >> >>> >Subject: Is my aux battery draining my primary? >> >>> >To: vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com, >> >the_bug_pack@yahoogroups.com, >> >>> type2@type2.com >> >>> > >> >>> >I thought I hooked up my second battery right. Given the >> >>> >fact that it was totally dead today I clearly didn't. >> >>> > >> >>> >Before I get into the battery let me also say that I ALSO >> >>> >suspect my alternator brushes to be worn out. Anyone know >> >>> >the partnumber for the replacement cartridge? >> >>> > >> >>> >Anyway... I jump started the vehicle and as soon as I >> >>> >unhooked the negative terminal the engine died. This >> >happend >> >>> >twice. So the battery was DEAD. >> >>> > >> >>> >Now here is how the second battery was hooked up. First >> >off >> >>> >remeber this is a 1980 westy, with no stock second >> battery >> >>> >and no relay under the drivers seat. >> >>> > >> >>> >Secondly, I don't know much about electrical systems and >> >>> >hooked this up with someone else's instruction. I won't >> be >> >>> >able to follow a complex answer, nor is my explanation of >> >>> >the setup complex. >> >>> > >> >>> >1) The black sheath to the fridge was cut to do the >> >install. >> >>> >The rear part has a red wire (with an inline fuse) and a >> >>> >white wire. The front part has a blue and a red. The red >> >was >> >>> >one wire before it was cut and the blue and the white >> were >> >>> >also the same wire. >> >>> > >> >>> >2) The rear portion of the sheathed wire, the one with >> the >> >>> >white and the red is setup like this: The red goes from >> >the >> >>> >inline fuse to the positive terminal on battery number 2. >> >>> >The white goes to some kind rectangular clear connector, >> >>> >then on the other side of the connector the wire turns >> >blue. >> >>> >That blue wire goes to the 86 on the relay... then >> >continues >> >>> >to the front part of the sheathed wire and dissapears >> >under >> >>> >the drivers seat. >> >>> > >> >>> >3) The red from the front sheathing goes to the 85 on the >> >>> >relay. >> >>> > >> >>> >4) There is a wire running from the 87 on the relay to >> the >> >>> >positive terminal on battery number 2. >> >>> > >> >>> >5) There is a wire running from the 30 on the relay to >> the >> >>> >positive terminal on battery number ONE. >> >>> > >> >>> >I just cant figure out where the power is being sucked >> >from. >> >>> >Any ideas? >> >>> > >> >>> >Thanks, >> >>> >Chris >> >>> >> > >_____________________________________________________________ ___ >GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! >Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! >Join Juno today! 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