Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 10:37:27 -0500
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From: "joe@cedar.net" <joe@CEDAR.NET>
Subject: Re: Throttle switches
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On Thu, 6 Jun 2002, David Beierl wrote:
> At 11:14 AM 6/6/2002, joe@cedar.net wrote:
> >What do these switches actually do to the fuel system when
> >activated?
>
> The switches are in parallel (actually only one switch starting in '85
> sometime). They/it close at both closed throttle and WOT (Wide Open
> Throttle); otherwise open.
>
>
> >The throttle closed idle switch on mine is essentially out of
> >the circuit. It appears that it is intended to be
> >activated/closed when the throttle is closed,
>
> correct.
>
> >however at idle
> >with this switch closed I get surging--back the adjuster screw
> >out so the switch is no activated and it idles OK.
>
> It would seem that your idle is set too high? The action of this switch is
> to shut off the fuel injectors whenever the rpm rises above 1500. If you
> were to coast down a long mountain with your foot off the gas, the engine
> would be cold at the bottom...
I understand, so then at idle the switch is to be closed and to
rid the surging I need to look at my idle speed. When I
encoutered this last week I was only able to rid the surging by
disabling this switch, adjusting the idle with idle adjust screw
just below the throttle assembly had no effect on the surging.
Will look at it again.
> The other end -- WOT -- causes the ECU to go into open-loop mode and enrich
> the mixture for full-throttle operation.
Makes sense.
> > This seems
> >backwards to me as in order for the engine to idle the switch is
> >noit activated, nor is it activated when accelerating.
>
> Acceleration enrichment is actually taken care of by the over-swing of the
> AFM vane. Another small point -- this switch provides information, not
> power control. You gain the same amount of information by opening the
> switch as by closing it, IOW the VW engineers chose the operation mode for
> mechanical convenience and fail-safe -- no drastic problem if it fails
> open, but hard to run the motor if it fails short, which is much less likely.
Thanks David, I appreciate your help coming up to speed on this.
I do well with carburetors, but need to get a grip on FI. Though
have considered switching from FI to a carb, seems FI does have
advantages and have plenty of other area to spend my money.
Joe
> david
>
>
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> David Beierl - Providence, RI
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> '85 GL "Poor Relation"
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