Date:         Sat, 1 Jun 2002 10:32:13 -0400
Reply-To:     Bob O Shaughnessy <vanagon@COLUMBUS.RR.COM>
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From:         Bob O Shaughnessy <vanagon@COLUMBUS.RR.COM>
Subject:      Re: Off Topic Remarks, and an unfortunate Loss
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On 6/1/02 1:42 AM, "Terry K." <CTONLINE@WEBTV.NET> wrote:

> First off--let me say this----
>
> I am no angel, by any means, but I have not been personally responsible
> for a highly valued list member's withdrawing from the list, to the best
> of my knowledge.
>

    This speaks *volumes* about your knowledge.  I can say with confidence
that the current tone of the list is about 90% the fault of William and
yourself.  Neither of you seems to have even the most rudimentary common
sense or manners.  In the past week, after encouraging people to pmail you
and William about your reprehensible behavior on this list, I received
numerous explanations of the vitriolic, obscenity-riddled replies that they
received from the two of you.

    Again, the two of you have no common sense, manners or shame, and you
should leave this list until you learn them.


> However, why in the hell can't you guys, who persist in discussing
> totally Vanagon, Subagon,  TIICO, and other related subjects take it to
> P-Mail---
>

    Read what you wrote above and tell me what color the sky is in your
world.  The reason that people don't take discussions of Vanagons, engine
conversions and other ON-TOPIC CONTENT to p-mail is because these things
belong on the list.  In fact the whole reason this list exists is for
intelligent discussion of such content in a self-regulating format.  The
reason that we all have a mailing list instead of a USENET newsgroup is so
that we could avoid inane ramblings, insults, and trolls of the likes of you
and William.

    Karl, and many others have left the list, and we are all the poorer for
it.  I personally blame you and William.  Herculean efforts have been made
on the part of many here to turn you two into productive members of this
community and you have resisted at every turn.  You have shown that you have
only your own personal agendas and interests in mind, rather than the good
of the list and *all* of its members.  Your constant prattle of "if you
don't like what I say then delete it" shows that you both have absolutely no
interest in listening to the guidance of the community, and no care about
the incredible damage you are doing to this list.

    I suggest that if you would like to find a place better suited to your
childish behavior, try USENET, and leave the rest of us to our list.


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Bob O'Shaughnessy,         Columbus, OH
vanagon@columbus.rr.com
99 A3 Jetta TDI
85GL with basic Westy interior
82 Diesel Westy (with blown engine)
74 Bus (Dad's)
72 Wife, 95 Cat, 96 Cat, 98 Kid, 00 Kid, 01 Dog
25 House