Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 00:46:43 -0700
Reply-To: Michael aka ECHO <echosmurf@YAHOO.COM>
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From: Michael aka ECHO <echosmurf@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: ES-12 Replacement for R-12 Refrigerant
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I want some of that non-government approved so far as I can see
snake oil. I'll give three wooden nickles and three-way ticket
to Never Never Land for a pound of it. Oh, do they also sell a
pound of feathers with it?
Captain Hook
--- Rolf Hastrup <rhastrup@YAHOO.COM> wrote:
> Recently, when searching the internet for information on
> conversion from R-12
> refrigerant for my ’85 Westy and ’88 Ford Taurus, I found what
> appears to be
> the ideal refrigerant. It is called Enviro-Safe 12, or ES-12.
> It actually
> performs up to 32% better than R-12 and a lot better than
> R-134a, which
> performs about 8% worse than R-12. It is compatible with
> either, so nothing
> needs to be changed to convert. In fact, ES-12 can be used as
> a direct drop-in
> replacement for systems using R-134a. To comply with EPA
> regulations, on R-12
> systems the freon needs to be safely removed and the fittings
> need to be
> changed to the R-134 type.
>
> I’ve asked in stores where they sell R-134a and retrofit kits,
> but they have
> never heard of ES-12. I ordered a couple of 12-can cases
> ($75/case)and 30-lb
> cylinders ($169/cyl) for myself and a friend through an
> internet contact:
>
> Better Technology Trust,
> 4535 W Sahara Ave, Suite 106
> Las Vegas, Nevada 89102-3733,
> Ph:800 266-7777
> Web address: www.btt.org.
>
> These people are also looking for wholesale dealers. No
> charges for shipping
> even small amounts. Note that the “30-lb cylinder” actually
> contains 12 lb of
> ES-12, which is equivalent to 36 lb of R-12 when used in the
> system. ES-12 is
> a propane based refrigerant, but highly purified. Its
> auto-ignition
> temperature is 1585 deg, which is better than R-134a. I
> learned that ES-12 was
> developed in South Africa – so another interesting tie with
> South Africa.
>
> Actually my first use of ES-12 was in my R-134a equipped 95
> Taurus, which burst
> an A/C suction hose shortly after I received my shipment. I
> replaced the line,
> evacuated the system and put in two 6-oz cans, which I
> determined is close to
> the equivalent amount of R-134 used by the system. The system
> has been working
> beautifully for about a week of hot weather. It is amazing
> how little of the
> ES-12 is required to do the job. It is also supposed to
> operate at somewhat
> lower pressure on the pressure side, and use less horsepower.
>
> Next, I will put it in my older R-12 Taurus. I have to wait
> with the Westy
> until I complete a Tiico conversion I’m in the midst of. But
> I really think it
> will be a far better solution for our old Vanagons than the
> DuPont R-134a
> product. I also heard that the reason RS-12 is not seen in
> the stores is
> DuPont’s patent on R-134a and their power over distribution.
> DuPont also held
> patents on R-12 and lobbied to outlaw R-12 when their patents
> ran out and they
> had their new product R-134a ready for market.
>
> I hope others on the Vanagon list will find this as exciting
> as I have.
>
> Rolf
> '85 Westy Auto (doing Tiico conversion)
> '88, 95 Taurus Wagons
> '87 Jetta GLI
>
>
>
>
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MY first VW!
1980 Vanagon L "D'Arius"
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78 Toyota Corona (POS everytime I fix something..something else breaks!)
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