Date:         Wed, 19 Jun 2002 21:34:42 -0700
Reply-To:     Michael aka ECHO <echosmurf@YAHOO.COM>
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From:         Michael aka ECHO <echosmurf@YAHOO.COM>
Subject:      Re: ES-12 Substitute for Freon R-12 or R-134a
In-Reply-To:  <20020619181922.58499.qmail@web14005.mail.yahoo.com>
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This is getting quite funny...
Hmm, I'm in California. The shop I sub-contract myself too does
A/C work WITH R-12. Selling/re-charging and alos with R-134a. So
does the shop down the street.. Hmm so, I'm going home earlier
and was thinking of some of the threads I've been seeing lately,
so I stopped at a shop. Hmm they recharge/sell R-12 amazingingly
they showed me their EP licensing when I talked to them. Quite
amazing I should think. Licensed and certified mechanics doing
A/C work with R-12. It's scandalous I tell ya.
Mike aka ECHO
--- Rolf Hastrup <rhastrup@YAHOO.COM> wrote:
> Steve,
>
> I believe all Vanagons sold in the US with factory air used a
> freon (R-12)
> system.  The connecting fittings for servicing would have 1/4"
> male hose
> threads with dust caps screwed on.  If it is an R-134 system
> or was converted
> to R-134, it would have the R-134 service fittings or
> adapters, which are a
> quick-connect type (male nipple for receiving a quick-connect
> female hose end).
>  Manufacture and sale of R-12 freon is no longer legal, and
> R-134 type adapters
> are required by EPA regulation whenever an R-12 freon systen
> is converted to an
> approved refrigerant such as R-134 or ES-12.  I hope this
> helps.
>
> Rolf
>
>
> --- Steve Johnson <stevej@wb32tv.com> wrote:
> > How can I tell what is in my AC system now?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Steve Johnson
> > ' 91 Carat
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rolf Hastrup [SMTP:rhastrup@YAHOO.COM]
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 2:46 PM
> > To:   vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> > Subject:      Re: ES-12 Substitute for Freon R-12 or R-134a
> >
> > A far superior product that I'm very happy to have
> discovered.
> > The ES-12 is simply more efficient than either R-12 or
> R-134a,
> > more compatible, safer for the environment, and costs no
> more (maybe less)
> > than
> > R-134a - probably less for charging a given system because
> less is required.
> > Their price for a case of 12 cans is $75, and I needed only
> 2 cans to fill my
> > Taurus system after sucking it out with a vacuum pump.  They
> also sell
> > smaller
> > quantities and ship FREE!  I suggest you check out the web
> site
> > <http://www.btt.org> or call the toll-free number (800
> 266-7777).  They
> > market
> > all types of refrigerants and have specs for comparison.
> >
> > =====
> > Rolf
> > '85 Westy Auto (doing Tiico conversion)
> > '88, 95 Taurus Wagons
> > '87 Jetta GLI
> >
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