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Date:         Fri, 30 Aug 2002 05:14:39 -0500
Reply-To:     John Rodgers <j_rodgers@CHARTER.NET>
Sender:       Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From:         John Rodgers <j_rodgers@CHARTER.NET>
Subject:      Re:       Re: Fire Extinguishers
Comments: To: Stan Wilder <wilden1@JUNO.COM>
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Stan Wilder wrote:

> The Magnesium isn't really a hazard.

It's good stuff in the right applications. Lighter than aluminum. Strong. In earlier years prone to inner-granular corrosion. Maybe modern metalurgy has resolved that. Beech Aircraft Corporation used the stuff on the ailerons and elevators on their Bonanza Series. With the passage of time the corrosion became a problem for them. It was also brittle and fatigue cracking was a problem. And it was hard to get paint to stay put on its surface.

Magnesium aircraft engine cases were used extensively in WWII. Many a plane was lost due to an engine fire where the magnesium got hot enough to burn. No way to put that out. Can you imagine a magnesium fire being fanned by a 200 mph wind???

Magnesium will burn in many atmospheres because it gets hot enough to cause separation of of any O2 molecules from the surrounding gasses. A burning magnesium strip, when thrust into a pure carbon dioxide atmosphere - one which would extinguish most flames - simply strips away the O2 molecules from the carbon leaving a pure black carbon soot. Very messy! Same reason magnesium burns underwater. Tears the oxygen atom away from the H2O molecule.

> Also aircraft tires that fly at high altitudes are filled with nitrogen. > Won't freeze, Won't hold moisture,

> Won't expand at altitude

What altitude? One foot above sea level? 30,000 feet above sea level? All gases respond to Boyles Law. Reduce the pressure and the gas will expand to the limits of its container. Nitrogen will expand in a tire to the mecanical limits the tire imposes. The reason nitrogen is used in Aircraft tires is that nitrogen , being an inert gas under pressure in the tire, does not oxidize - ie, rot - the rubber in the tire as rapidly as would occur with an air filled tire. And it is less hazardous in the even of a brake/wheel fire. No oxygen is present to do the job or feed the fire. The oxygen present in air, and under pressure in a tire acts more rapidly that at normal atmospheric pressure. There's just more oxygen molecules pressent in the compressed air. More oxygen molecules present, more oxidation.

John Rodgers 88 GL Driver


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