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Date:         Tue, 3 Sep 2002 15:48:29 -0800
Reply-To:     Meghan Davis <meghdavis@HOTMAIL.COM>
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From:         Meghan Davis <meghdavis@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject:      Dog Dog Dog
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There was a story up here really recently about a guy who got attacked by a grizzly and the only thing that saved him was his German Shepherd, who was also okay. Maybe it would be a good Idea to put bells on the dogs like they tell people to wear. Usually a bear will try to leave people alone and it's only when they are surprised that it becomes a problem. Usually. Anyways, everybody I know has dogs and spends quite a bit of time in the middle of nowhere and the dogs are fine. Where I commercial fish, bears often come down the bank and all of us fisherpeople have dogs wandering. I've never heard of anyone having a problem. No big thing. Megh

>From: Harmon Seaver <hseaver@CYBERSHAMANIX.COM> >Reply-To: Harmon Seaver <hseaver@CYBERSHAMANIX.COM> >To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM >Subject: Re: dogs to alaska? >Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 15:07:14 -0500 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from mc2-f12.law16.hotmail.com ([65.54.237.19]) by hotmail.com >with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Tue, 3 Sep 2002 14:19:55 -0700 >Received: from gerry.vanagon.com ([66.95.48.130]) by >mc2-f12.law16.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Tue, 3 Sep >2002 14:09:05 -0700 >Received: from gerry (gerry.vanagon.com) by gerry.vanagon.com (LSMTP for >Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.FBAF22C3@gerry.vanagon.com>; Tue, 3 Sep >2002 17:08:16 -0400 >Received: from GERRY.VANAGON.COM by GERRY.VANAGON.COM (LISTSERV-TCP/IP >release 1.8d) with spool id 741180 for vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM; >Tue, 3 Sep 2002 17:08:16 -0400 >Received: from cybershamanix.com >(adsl-64-108-120-47.dsl.applwi.ameritech.net) by gerry.vanagon.com >(LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id ><0.FBAF22BE@gerry.vanagon.com>; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 17:04:13 -0400 >Received: (from hseaver@localhost) by cybershamanix.com (8.11.0/8.11.6) id > g83K7EN15941; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 15:07:14 -0500 >References: <8c.1d942f4f.2aa64e30@aol.com> ><20020903170352.GA15540@cybershamanix.com> ><044601c25389$5bc07640$319c4094@BILLPC> >User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i >Message-ID: <20020903200714.GB15890@cybershamanix.com> >Sender: Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com> >Comments: To: Bill N <freeholder@STARBAND.NET> >In-Reply-To: <044601c25389$5bc07640$319c4094@BILLPC> >Return-Path: owner-vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Sep 2002 21:09:06.0030 (UTC) >FILETIME=[232B58E0:01C2538E] > >On Tue, Sep 03, 2002 at 01:34:47PM -0700, Bill N wrote: > > Dogs will keep black bears out of your camp, but grizzlies will come in >just to kill and eat > > the dog. > > We had grizzlies around where we lived in BC, they never seemed >interested >in our dogs, or our horses, goats, or chickens, for that matter. And we >used to >see fresh griz track in the sandbars along the river right near the >cabin. Personally I'd always prefer to have a dog along in bear country. If >nothing else, the dog will keep the bear busy for while. I had a friend who >survived a griz attack -- the griz came up at night while they were >sleeping (no >tent, and just blankets and ground cloth) and grabbed my friend, lifted him >off >the ground and started ripping at him. What saved him was the blanket got >caught >in the bears teeth and went over his head and he dropped the guy and stood >there >trying to get the blanket off his head, where upon my friend and his wife >got >up in some trees. You should see the scars. > A dog would have alerted them a long time before the bear got near. >And >probably scared the bear away -- > > >-- >Harmon Seaver >CyberShamanix >http://www.cybershamanix.com

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