Date:         Wed, 11 Sep 2002 22:45:10 EDT
Reply-To:     CMathis227@AOL.COM
Sender:       Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From:         Chuck Mathis <CMathis227@AOL.COM>
Subject:      Re: missing wire at distributor? and timing question
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Clive,

Who's Joe King?

With the US market DJ 1.9L we're looking at something like 82HP in factory
fresh, perfect condition and that was 17 years and many miles ago for most of
us.  I've read posts claiming up to a 10HP gain by advancing the timing but I
haven't seen any dyno results to prove it.  The less accurate butt-meter
tells me there is an increase but we're still nowhere near your 112HP.  You
might be able to advance your timing some but from your comment about 'plonk
green gas' (that sounds bad) you're probably limited by compression ratio and
gas quality.  If I had 112 ponies under the pedal I wouldn't be monkeying
with my timing.

I believe Jay has a stock engine and ECU.  Other than the timing all I have
done to mine  is polish the throttle body throat, install Bosch Platinium
+4's and a K & N air filter, replaced my rotten exhaust system with cleaned
up, port matched, ceramic coated stock pipes and a Dynaflow muffler.  The
engine definitely has more scoot than it did when I started.  The Boston
Bob/Ken Wilford chip and some 1.25:1 rockers are looking pretty tempting.

Chuck
'85 Wolfsburg Westy - 'Roland the Road Buffalo'

In a message dated 9/11/02 6:40:30 PM, LISTSERV@GERRY.VANAGON.COM writes:

>Date:    Wed, 11 Sep 2002 20:04:57 +0100
>From:    Clive Smith <clive.harman-smith@NTLWORLD.COM>
>Subject: Re: missing wire at distributor? and timing question
>
>Try what? 10 degrees ahead of standard timing on a standard DJ 2.1 - you
>must be Joe King?
>
>I think Jay has a non-standard engine of some sort and a modified ECU,
>thats
>different then ...
>whatever it pulls like, I don't want to risk that - 112 BHP is quite enough.
>
>
>Clive
>'88 Syncro Transporter
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <kdlewis@juno.com>
>To: <clive.harman-smith@NTLWORLD.COM>
>Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 10:59 AM
>Subject: Re: missing wire at distributor? and timing question
>
>
>> Try it, you'll like it.
>>
>> Good Luck and Drive Safely
>> Ken Lewis
>> 86 Crewcab, 60 356 T-5
>> http://Neksiwel.20m.com/
>>
>> On Tue, 10 Sep 2002 23:42:28 +0100 Clive Smith
>> <clive.harman-smith@NTLWORLD.COM> writes:
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Jay L Snyder" <Jay.L.Snyder@USA.DUPONT.COM>
>> > To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
>> > Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 8:02 PM
>> >
>> > > I highly recommend more advance for your 1.9.  I am running 5
>> > BTDC.  This is 10 degrees advanced from stock.
>> >
>> > Jay, I think somewhere you've got something muddled up.
>> > I've never known a manufacturer's optimum timing setting ever be
>> > that much
>> > out - just can't believe this statement. 10 degrees is an enormous
>> > amount,
>> > especially when you're ADVANCING beyond their standard setting. 2.1
>> > Digijets
>> > for instance over here are run 4 - 5 degrees retarded for plonk
>> > green fuel,
>> > the standrad Euro DJ engine running a 10.5:1 CR and hence requiring
>> > 98
>> > Octane.
>> >
>> > Clive
>> > '88 Syncro Transporter
>> >