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Date:         Sat, 5 Oct 2002 09:35:32 -0700
Reply-To:     David Marshall <vanagon@VOLKSWAGEN.ORG>
Sender:       Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From:         David Marshall <vanagon@VOLKSWAGEN.ORG>
Subject:      Re: Square to round lights
Comments: To: Rich Blake <blake@OAKHARBOR.NET>
In-Reply-To:  <MCBBKDBEMCPHAGBGMECAOEFECBAA.blake@oakharbor.net>
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Just to add a post script to your email.

The initial H4 setup we supply come with a lot of extra stuff - bulbs, bulb holders, H4 socket etc. If you do happen to break one of these lights the replacement shell is quite a bit less - $129 USD - which is AFAIK cheaper than the dealer for a 9004 shell!

David Marshall

Fast Forward Automotive Inc. 4356 Quesnel Hixon Road Quesnel BC Canada V2J 6Z3

http://www.fastforward.ca mailto:sales@fastforward.ca Phone: (250) 992 7775 FAX: (250) 992 1160

- Vanagon Accessories and Engine Conversions - Vanagon, Transporter and Iltis Sales and Importation - European Lighting for most Volkswagen models

-----Original Message----- From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com]On Behalf Of Rich Blake Sent: October 4, 2002 11:36 PM To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM Subject: Square to round lights

The discussion lately on lights has sparked my interest. I currently have the DOT 9004/H3 square lights with relays installed. Relays made a HUGE difference as some of you have discovered, but these lights still suck ass. For comparison I have a Rabbit with 55/60W 200mm H4s installed - vastly superior to Vanagon. I also have a GTi with 7" round 80/100W H4s, illuminates the next corner at three digit speeds no problem - in comparison the Vanagon lights look like two fishbowls with candles in them.

Upgrade Options:

SA grille - Pro: 7" rounds are common and cheap, nice functionality Con: Need buckets and mounting hardware from junkyard Need main lights and bulbs to complete kit (add $120) Expensive for what you get (gti grilles with driving lights are <$75.00)

Project - Pro: Not sure about size (165mm or 200mm) but lamps are common and cheap zwo Con: Ohmygod expensive

Fast - Pro: Keep stock grille - bolt on mod Forward Con: Ohmygod expensive for full set up Specialized lamp assemblies - don't break one

Junkyard - Pro: Plenty of junk Rounds Con: Plenty of junk No driving lights without aftermarket additions

Questions:

The square grille to round grille swap is backwards compatible with no modification? yes/no

If anyone is familiar with euro Sciroccos and Audis - can the early 80's Audi S2 lamp assemblies (integrated main/driving lamps) fit in the square light grille? yes/no http://www.rapidparts.com/Pages/vwc004p.html

Has anyone tried using Rabbit 200mm buckets in the Vanagon square grille? yes/no - explain

Just looking at possible options cause around here in the Pacific Northwest, winter is very very dark.

Rich Blake I can see in but I can't see out


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