Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 07:59:22 -0400
Reply-To: Kenneth Wilford <kenwilfy@COMCAST.NET>
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From: Kenneth Wilford <kenwilfy@COMCAST.NET>
Subject: Re: Roadhaus - 2.2L Engine Install , Prelimanary Report
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I just have to chime in here and say two things:
First Bob Donalds has spent many years and much time actually taking
the engines that he builds and putting them on a dyno (scarey
thought!). He has told me of times at Gene Berg Enterprizes testing
ideas that he has had for increasing hp and performance and how some
times his ideas worked out but many times they didn't. However he has
got some experience as to what works and what doesn't, and what you
think should work but doesn't. So I think he has earned the right to
be an expert on this subject and if he thinks the info that EC is
putting out on their engines is incorrect, then we should at least stop
and think about what he has to say before rejecting it out of hand.
Second, if you have several of these engines in folks vans, then how
hard would it be to take one to a dyno and have it tested? Especially
since Larry and going to be travelling all over the US. We could
arrange some type of test along the way that would satisify everyone.
Then we would see if the EC claims are real, or just something they
copied from a european VW manual. It would even better to have Larry's
van and a stock Vanagon (perhaps even with one of Bob's engines in it)
get tested on the dyno the same day (that way you are factoring out
elevation level, dyno error, etc).
What do you say?
Thanks,
Ken Wilford
John 3:16
http://www.vanagain.com
Phone: 856-327-4936
Fax: 856-327-2242
----- Original Message -----
From: Kim Brennan <kimbrennan@MAC.COM>
Date: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 0:27 am
Subject: Re: Roadhaus - 2.2L Engine Install , Prelimanary Report
> On Tuesday, October 15, 2002, at 10:33 PM, Robert Donalds wrote:
>
> > Rasing the compression by one point gives the engine 4% more
> power per
> > point of compression that turns out to be 4 hp per hundred there is
> > more to the 2.1 vanagon European engine than a point of compression
> > like a better fuel differant injection system
> > so the 2.2L 135HP Euro Cars of Denver is nothing more than lies and
> > untested B.S. I cant stand this kind of crap this is nothing
> more than
> > snake oil
> > dont be a sucked in by empty words.
>
> How do >YOU< know that it is untested? All I see from you is criticism
> with only marginal explanation for you criticism. Both times I
> have seen
> you post complaining about EuroCars engines, you only cover one aspect
> of the work they do, namely the increase in compression.
>
> However they also increase the size of the cylinders, and change the
> camshaft.
>
> Now it may be snake oil, but on the other hand at least a couple
> of the
> listees have reported happiness with the engine, which is hardly
> sayingit is a bad deal. Considering what it costs to have an
> engine replaced
> anyway, it might be as good as what you provide. And since it is
> quite a
> ways geographically from you, I'd hardly say it is likely to steal
> muchbusiness from you.
>
> I'm reserving my (unknowing) judgement on their engines until
> Larry has
> put a few months (and more miles) on it. Perhaps you should too.
>
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