Oh great philosopher... if you had bothered to read my complete post, you would have figured out that I was not knocking Hondas or Toyotas, I was comparing the WBX to other water-cooled engines. I have been driving a Vanagon almost every day for the last 12 years, and it has only left me stranded once... when it ran out of gas. Unfortunately, I can't say the same for the Honda I used to own, or the two Toyotas my wife used to own, I won't even talk about Mazdas. We've all had our own experiences with different vehicles which has shaped our opinions. Isn't wonderful to live in a free (well semi-free) country? 300K, just broken in... smoke dope. Squeak, squeak, squeak. Cheers, Jeff
-----Original Message----- From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM]On Behalf Of Aristotle Sagan Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 12:29 AM To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM Subject: Re: Wasserboxer Reputation . long
Jeffery.. You are blowing smoke. I love my vanagons. I love driving them. But don't think I would use one as a every day driver. Too much much work, too much stupid design engineering that doesn't meet the standards of the day. My 92 Toyoa pickup( 22RE engine) has 151K on it. nothing, yes nothing, but oil filters, and a new radiator (my fault for letting the coolant sit for 5 years) being replaced. The valves haven't been looked at since 3000 miles, the last time it was in the shop. Now I am pissed because it needs a clutch. After 151K hard miles, it needs a dern clutch. No sign of that engine needing anything. Spark plugs every 50K, oil change every 3-4K. Love your VW. But let's not compare it engineeering wise with a Toyota. The R and RE engines date back to the early 70's. When they had carbs on them, they performed flawlessly. Now that they have FI on them, they are bulletproof. VW wishes they built something that ran that well. 300 K? Just broken in. tim in san jose
>From: Jeffrey Schwaia <jeff@TSSGI.COM> >Reply-To: Jeffrey Schwaia <jeff@TSSGI.COM> >To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM >Subject: Re: Wasserboxer Reputation . long >Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 23:16:02 -0800 > >Do you actually believe that Japaneses engines last an "average" of 300k? > >-jeff > >-----Original Message----- >From: David Beierl [mailto:dbeierl@attglobal.net] >Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 11:11 PM >To: Jeffrey Schwaia >Cc: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM >Subject: Re: Wasserboxer Reputation . long > > >At 11:52 PM 12/9/2002, Jeffrey Schwaia wrote: > >All I was trying to say, is that a "correctly" rebuilt and maintained WBX > >motor will not experience any problems that couldn't be expected on other > >water-cooled engines during the course of the engines lifetime. > >Sure -- it's just that the Japanese engines have lifetimes looking at 300k >miles, with a lot less fussing around. > >david > > >-- >David Beierl - Providence RI USA -- http://pws.prserv.net/synergy/Vanagon/ >'84 Westy "Dutiful Passage" >'85 GL "Poor Relation"
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