Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 21:51:57 +0100
Reply-To: Raimund Feussner <rfeussner@GMX.DE>
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From: Raimund Feussner <rfeussner@GMX.DE>
Subject: Re: [TDI-conversion] Ignition transponder modules
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I just went through this whole "immo" stuff the last half year.
The immo communication with CAN is only used on cars from production week 18
of 2000 upwards.
All earlier versions use the k-line setup.
To get these engines running it takes about 100 Euro complete with
immo-module, key and transponder ring over the ignition lock.
Fell free to pmail for further infos, part numbers etc.
My Vanagon with ´98 V6 is equipped with the stock Audi k-line immobilizer,
my project (the ´01 V6 mid-engine-dounlecab) uses the new system with CAN,
plus the instrument cluster.
Raimund
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Marshall" <vanagon@VOLKSWAGEN.ORG>
To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 8:35 PM
Subject: Re: [TDI-conversion] Ignition transponder modules
> This looks like the Cabrio setup that uses the K-wire and not the CAN-bus
> system.
>
> David Marshall
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: sheronda [mailto:sheronda1@tesco.net]
> Sent: December 9, 2002 9:02 AM
> To: TDI-conversion@yahoogroups.com; David Marshall; vanagon
> Subject: Re: [TDI-conversion] Ignition transponder modules
>
>
> Maybe Bernd Jaeger has a set up.
> On www.syncro-bernd-jaeger.de/TDI-Umbau/tdi-umbau.html
> He says he can "unlock" the engine and sell you a key and transponder set
> for 200 $. For any TDI from 96 to 2001.
> I think he is on holiday at the moment, but you can try.
>
> Let me know how it goes since I want to do the same thing.
> Here is a foto od his thing:
> I hope it is not the K1 set up.
> Lukas
> On 9/12/02 12:39 am, "David Marshall" <vanagon@volkswagen.org> wrote:
>
> On 9/12/02 12:39 am, "David Marshall" <vanagon@volkswagen.org> wrote:
>
> > I am digging a little further into how to get my 2001 New Beetle ALH TDI
> > running with a few 'external bits' attached to it as possible.
> >
> > The problem that I have is the ALH has an immobiliser built into it and
> the
> > ECU and the key must match or else the vehicle won't start.
> >
> > What I need to make it all work is the key, the key coil, instrument
> cluster
> > (with the internal key reader) and of course the ECU. If I can
eliminate
> > the key, key reader and instrument cluster I would be laughing... but so
> far
> > how to turn off the IMMO 'accessory' in the ECU has not surfaced -
> although
> > it is rumoured possible.
> >
> > The obvious thing to try to eliminate is the instrument cluster as there
> > isn't much room or want to put this at the back of my van and it would
get
> > damaged the first time I took the vehicle for a swim. It has been
brought
> > to my attention that the 2000+ Cabrio and Eurovan have the key coil
reader
> > external of the instrument cluster. This is good news for me as it is a
> way
> > to eliminate the bulky instrument panel. The other good news is the
> Cabrio
> > lock cylinder and the Vanagon lock cylinder are interchangeable meaning
> that
> > there isn't a real need to get rid of the transponder key, just use it
to
> > start the Vanagon using the IMMO setup from a Cabrio. Great idea I am
> > thinking!!!
> >
> > The problem now is after going to the VW dealer and reading countless
> wiring
> > code books. The Cabrio key reader uses the K-line setup where my ALH
> engine
> > is a CAN-bus system (K-line uses 1 wire to talk to the ECU, CAN-bus uses
> 2).
> > So... it looks like the Cabrio setup won't work with my later style ALH
> > motor.
> >
> > The questions that I have are:
> >
> > - Is it possible to remove the key reader from the New Beetle instrument
> > cluster?
> > - Does the Eurovan use the CAN-bus system? If so, is it still an
external
> > key reader?
> > - Any other suggestions on how to make this installation simpler?
> >
> > Thanks in advance!
> >
> >
> >
> >
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