This isn't a Vanagon List, it's a vanagon owner's list. Owner's that live and work in the United States and all over the world. Owner's that drive Vanagons (and other VW's), other cars, motorcycles, kayaks, roller-blades, etc. They like to talk to other people about their experiences in, around, and about VW's as well as many other topics. They reach out to fellow enthusiasts and offer help and support with something that we all like...Vanagons...and life. If the conversation around the watercooler (wasserboxer) happens to take a turn some people don't agree with, by all means, they are encouraged to speak up. Free speech lets them do exactly that. I am on three or four web-lists and NONE of them get as bitchy as this one. I like to think VW owners are a pretty laid back bunch of people, but it seems like Vanagon owners are ultra-sensitive. Oh, well, must have something to do with blown head gaskets and overheating engines. Seems kind of appropriate. Splitty owners are always a little slower than the rest of the group, bay window owners are kinda goofy looking, and air-cooled Vanagon owners.....well, I don't know, they are a pretty small bunch only born in a three year window...

...necessary retraction and apology...

If I offended anyone, please accept my apologies(unless you realize that you were in fact being a bit up-tight). It is Friday, and for some reason, the rules change on Fridays. I don't know why, it just seems to be an acceptable exception.

To set the record straight:

I thought the song/poem/rhyme about Iraq was funny and witty. I can't believe the flight attendant was repremanded for using the "einie meany miney" rhyme. I have a hard time following the "fish" jokes, but I read them anyway. I have owned all the above VW's (and then some), so the comments were about me..let's say.

Lighten up Francis.

Humbly,

Ward

-----Original Message----- From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM]On Behalf Of mike boland Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 4:56 PM To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM Subject: Re: Friday sing-a-long

This is Vanagon list.. if you got a beef about Iraq go to some other list political list i'm sure you'll have fun there... this liost is about VW's not Iraq

Mike

At 12:16 PM 2/14/2003 -0500, ian Butler wrote: >On Fri, 14 Feb 2003, Robert Keezer wrote: > > > If you don't want to hear my political views than don't air yours in > > disguise as humor. And not on the Vanagon list please! Your song is not > > appropiate Vanagon list material and crosses the line-- > >Whether it's "appropriate list material" is of course open to debate, >particularly on a Friday. I've seen this song once or twice recently ... in >my opinion, it's clever and not especially offensive. And it isn't >just disguised as humor, it *is* humor. > >Let's just leave it as it stands, as an amusing national commentary, and >spare it from the realm of political discourse and debate. :) > >ian Butler / ian@bluemoon.hplx.net >'88 Scirocco 16v, '87 Syncro GL