Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 18:19:54 -0800
Reply-To: Aristotle Sagan <killer_jupiter@HOTMAIL.COM>
Sender: Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From: Aristotle Sagan <killer_jupiter@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: Toyota?? - RE: OT - soliciting Jetta TDI reviews
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No Jeffrey,
There are a couple of us on the list who understand that while we LOVE our
Vanagons, Toyota builds 10 times the vehicle VW does. I RELY on my Toyota, I
drive my Vanagon when I fell like it. If I had to relyon VW for my
transportation, I would walk, ride my bike, take the train, hitchhike, or
whatever.
When my old man needed a car because some idjit crossed over in front of my
Mom and destroyed the front end of their Jetta Diesel Turbo, I suggested he
look at a Camry. Three years later, he still thanks me.
No working on the damned thing to get it going in the morning, no stupid
issues with fuel injection, timing, transmission syncros, etc. The Toyota
flat out runs. Every day.
So you want to bitch about those of us who rely on our Toyotas, go ahead. I
need every minute I have in this busy life NOT maintaining my primary mode
of transportation.
tim in san jose
92 Toyota PU
84 vanagon
83 vanagon AC
81 AC westy
>From: Jeffrey Schwaia <jeff@TSSGI.COM>
>Reply-To: Jeffrey Schwaia <jeff@TSSGI.COM>
>To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>Subject: Toyota?? - RE: OT - soliciting Jetta TDI reviews
>Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 17:22:30 -0800
>
> >Andrew Grebneff writes:
> >
> >If you don't mind an utterly dull-handling car, get a new VW.
> >Probably unreliable too. If you want something utterly reliable, get
> >a Toyota.
>
>
>Arghh!! Does this guy get $0.05 every time he mentions Toyota???
>
>Am I the only guy getting tired of hearing how great Toyotas are on the
>Vanagon list??? Please... let me know if I'm being overly sensitive.
>
>BTW: VW (and Honda, Nissan and Subaru) rates consistently above Toyota on
>nearly every major consumer report in nearly every category. So who we
>going to believe: you (a cabbie) or the professional testing bureaus?
>
>Viel Spass,
>
>Jeff
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM]On Behalf
>Of Andrew Grebneff
>Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2003 4:37 PM
>To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>Subject: Re: OT - soliciting Jetta TDI reviews
>
>
> >I would appreciate any experienced feedback from Jetta owners and the
> >TDI in particular.
> >
> >My wife and I are considering the very short list of modestly-priced
> >2003 model year wagon-oid vehicles as her new daily driver. She needs a
> >new wagon.
> >
> >Can anyone relate their experiences with recent model-year Jettas and/or
> >the 1.9 TDI?
> >Are Jettas any good?
>
>If you don't mind an utterly dull-handling car, get a new VW.
>Probably unreliable too. If you want something utterly reliable, get
>a Toyota.
>
>A constant complaint in the Aussie car magazines is that VW doesn't
>make a single can that handles well... a real turnaround from the
>70s, when the Golf & Sciroccos were the handling benchmark. Note that
>this complaint is about what you in the States would incorrectly call
>"European" suspension specced cars... US ones are far worse. The mags
>do say that manufacturing quality and fit & finish are very good
>(another turnaround; however VW's plastics record is unbelievably
>bad, so time will tell whether the new dashboards will shrink, sag
>and break in half and window winder handles snap off), approaching
>Toyota levels.
>--
>Andrew Grebneff
>165 Evans St, Dunedin 9001, New Zealand
><andrew.grebneff@stonebow.otago.ac.nz>
>Seashell, Macintosh, VW/Toyota van nut
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