Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 22:45:56 -0800
Reply-To: Aristotle Sagan <killer_jupiter@HOTMAIL.COM>
Sender: Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From: Aristotle Sagan <killer_jupiter@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: Toyota?? the toyota myth drivel
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You make me laugh. You bought the upscale, got every piece of american
designed crap on yout 'Toyota' and you bitch about about it? I'll bet you
paid too much for it too.
Try a 92 pickup, built in AMERICA, with 152K on it. The 22RE engine is
bulletproof.
I have replaced the radiator because I didn't replace the antifreeze for 6
years. I have replaced the front pads at 100 K, I need to do the clutch. At
152K. That's it. Total maintenance excluding oil and filters.
Wanna compare any 1991 VW Vanagon's maintenance record against it? Wanna
compare any VW sedan's maitenance record against it?
You bought a second hand lemon off some lot in the middle of winter, and you
complain about it?
You make me laugh. When VW figures out how to get to the reliability levels
of Toyota, you let me know. In the meantime, I'll drive my Vanagon when I
feel like it, and my Toyota when I NEED to get somewhere.
Had I known Roadcow was for sale a couple of years ago, I would have bought
it. It, at least, had a decent drivetrain.
tim in san jose, ca
> my toyota gripes
>my (lexus)toyota,
>bought the 1990 es250 at 4 years-old and 45,000(just when the warranty
>expires) on a cold snowy day.
>i had a merkur xr4ti that i had just sunk 2k into in an effort to make
>it go like new and then a rear axel/cv? was on its way out and i was
>commuting 130 miles a day---i was sick of repairs etc!!
>i want something super dependable that i only go to a shop for oil
>changes.
>i go to a car lot.
>clear the snow off a small sedan. it's a lexus. that's a toyota(made in
>japan) and toyotas are supposed to be care-free and go 250,000 miles
>bla, bla, bla.
>i buy it.
>one week later on christmas the battery dies. a preview; i think i have
>put about 5 batteries in it in 6 years and 100,000 miles.
>needed an alt. about 250 bucks, maybe accounts for one of the batts.
>i have gone through my stack of misc. receipts and have put on 4
>exhaust pipes, 2 mufflers and a cross over. the shop guy says some cars
>just eat up certain parts.
>door latch mechanism. $640. yea, i know most of you think you could
>have done it yourself, but i tried(drivers door wouldn't open,my wife is
>6 mos pregnant and it's our only car) my neighbor(experienced body man)
>tried, then my shop of choice couldn't do it so i had to go to toyota.
>the speed sensitive pow steering has had a growl since day one that i
>should have picked up on before i bought it...you should hear it howl
>when it starts in sub zero weather. thats cost me $300
>sun roof went off track.
> by the way i should have changed the timing belt about 80,000 miles ago
>at a cost of 6-700 bucks. i usually stick to preventative maint
>schedule.
>rear trunk strut went out / froze up. trunk corner now bent-- very
>strange.
>rust? has more rust on drivers rear fender than any rusty westy i've
>seen, but this is wisconsin.
>i grow weary of my complaints
>the more i think about it the more i could list.
>the point is: anyone who thinks toyotas are that great, c'mon over and
>compare it to my 90(same year) vanagon(same miles too). both original
>engines,and aprox same new price(20k).
>i do like the lexus, but i have not realized any long run savings,
>except it is nice and always worth spending a little cash to keep it
>going. it's our jump in and get somewhere fast car. now that i have 2
>kids with child seats that thing is as claustrophobic as an iron lady.
> i don't have any plans to get rid of the toyota but for someone to
>refer to it as "utterly reliable" should have been with us when the
>alternator died in the drive threw of a fast food while i had a trailer
>hitched & loaded w/ ladders and painting equipment. i had to push
>thes.o.b. up to and past the pick-up window, then into the lot.
>
>now i will shut up about toyota
>chris c
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