Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 17:05:41 -0500
Reply-To: Vanagon man <vgonman@MSN.COM>
Sender: Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From: Vanagon man <vgonman@MSN.COM>
Subject: Re: Theme song for Tii: "Good Vibrations"
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Chris and list,
I have done a few Tiico's installs as well, and several 2.1L installs over
the years. I also have driven the 2.1L Big Valve engine made by Boston
Engine.
One thing for sure..........if you are putting in a TIICo, for you want more
power than a stock engine, you will get it......some more. It by no means
turns into a rocket. A little better accelaration from stop.....a little
better up hills and mountains, but still the vanagon is a big heavy car with
a small engine anyway you slice it. You always have a transmission designed
to turn higher rpms at higher speeds at 75 for example you go like 4200rpms
in a vanagon. That is a lot of rpm's compared to differnt vans.........I
recently drove some newvan that was turning 2500 rpms at 70 with an
automatic trans! Also, it had a 4. something liter engine.
One thing for absolutely certain. If you have a TIICO put in and need
engine work done by someone or some shop that is not familiar with it, you
are going to be told "Sorry can't help you". You had better be prepared to
stay on top of your car, have the vag-com software, and diagnose/fix your
own stuff. Mechanics are a strange bunch these days, and do not have the
willingness to work on a type of vehicle they will only see once. This is
the cold hard truth. If they can't punch it into their diagnostic system
and get an answer they won't fool with it.
I pull my own wrenches on my vehicles and others for a living, and with that
in mind, would only put in another 2.1L or a big valve........less
headaches, is turnkey, and no dealing with a desk jockey naked Petar for
every little thing they forgot to include in the kit or that goes bad.
Not everything that comes with it can be had straight from the dealer
folks............it is not that simple.
The TIICO is a step in the right direction, but look before you leap folks.
If i was hell bent on changing the motor to something different, I would but
a much bigger motor then that...........the possibilities are endless.
Adam P
81 Westy "The Brick "
70 Single Cab "Whitey"
74 Beetle "Ol Yeller"
73 Transporter (STILL at paint shop)
1988 Vanagon Wolfsburg
1976 Transporter (New CA bus)
1974 412 "Goldmember"
Used Vanagon Parts for sale (mostly aircooled)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris DeLong" <green536@HOTMAIL.COM>
To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 3:14 PM
Subject: Re: Theme song for Tii: "Good Vibrations"
> Hmm interesting to hear about the AC brackets breaking. Maybe someone
> overtightened the compressor. I have installed ten I-4 covnersions in
these
> vanagons so I know a little bit about this. In your statement that the I-4
> conversion is at least as reliable as the WBX; I would have to say that is
> incorrect. headgaskets on I-4 engines do not leak every 50k mi like
> clockwork. Neither is it common for an I-4 engine to throw a rod through
the
> block due to oil problems. So for the record, I am in no way stating that
> the WBX engine is in any way a good engine vs. the I-4.
>
> My whole response to the post was that it seemed rather pointless. If you
> want to have a Japanese engine in your Vanagon thats fine. Have fun
getting
> someone to fix it right when you are in Hattiesburg MS. when it breaks
down.
>
> I jsut dont see the point in making a negative post about the Tiico engine
> conversion like that. I can understand if someone has a question or wanted
> to share something. I jsut dont see the point of the post. Thats as bad as
> making fun of a little kid with glasses.
>
>
>
> Chris DeLong
> ICQ#45030867
> Seattle, WA USA
> '80 16V 'Rocco ragtop
> '91 GLi 2.0 16V (for sale)
> '77 Rabbit 16V
> '61 17 Window type II
> '91 Vanagon
> '84 Jetta
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: Robert Keezer <warmerwagen@HOTMAIL.COM>
> >Reply-To: Robert Keezer <warmerwagen@HOTMAIL.COM>
> >To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> >Subject: Re: Theme song for Tii: "Good Vibrations"
> >Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 11:05:30 -0800
> >
> >We have found the vibrations to caused by a poorly designed AC compressor
> >and Alternator bracket.
> >
> >My first impression of the bracket was it looked flimsy.
> >A Tiico owner in Oregon has this vibration problem so severe it breaks
the
> >AC comp mounting bolts, etc.
> >with the belts disconnected briefly and the engine run, there are no
> >vibrations.
> >
> >Solution: replace the SA brackets with US Golf- Jetta brackets.
> >
> >This inline four engine is otherwise at least equal in reliability to the
> >WBX .
> >
> >VW's made to date do not use a WBX design, but inline four,five and VR-6
> >design.There must be a good reason for this. I can think of a few.
> >
> >The last person to have a leaking head posted on the list a few days
ago(I
> >forgot who) , and was almost hysterical about it. He said he thought it
> >would never happen to him.
> >
> >Leaking head gaskets aren't your only worry. Leaking fuel lines-the WBX
has
> >fuel lines draped all over the engine. these lines are covered with
plastic
> >sheathing, and all should be ripped out and replaced already.
> >
> >I have a Vanagon that has a brand new engine that had a fire. . The PO
had
> >a
> >shop put the new motor in, but they did'nt replace the plastic ftting
that
> >goes thru the firewall, prone to breaking , and so a fire started in the
> >engine compartment.
> >
> >SO, no matter which way you go, make sure who ever does the work replaces
> >this fitting and all the lines.
> >
> >If this was done there would be few Vanagon whiners..
> >
> >Robert K
> >1982 Westfalia
> >Seattle
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>From: Robert Lilley <Wolfvan88@AOL.COM>
> >>Reply-To: Wolfvan88@AOL.COM
> >>To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> >>Subject: Re: Theme song for Tii: "Good Vibrations"
> >>Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 13:00:37 -0500
> >>
> >>In a message dated 2/28/2003 12:49:57 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> >>green536@hotmail.com writes:
> >>
> >> > that is a pretty pointless post. now stop whining.
> >>
> >>I am NOT whining...
> >>
> >>I have a modified WBX that I am VERY happy with the power out put... In
> >>fourth (I have a .457 SA five) I can go from ~25 to 80 mph...and have
one
> >>more gear... AND NO VIBRATIONS...
> >>
> >>
> >>I have to back out of the throttle going up hills at ~75 mph due to the
> >>engine wanting to increase power on hills at higher RPM...
> >>
> >>Robert
> >
> >
> >Robert
> >1982 Westfalia 1987 Wolfsburg
> >
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