Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 16:02:42 -0400
Reply-To: Vanagon man <vgonman@MSN.COM>
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From: Vanagon man <vgonman@MSN.COM>
Subject: Re: ATTN: 80-83 Owners
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JEEZUZ! Timing "by ear" is a joke. Borrow someone's light man! Timing is
not a guessing game! When you time "by ear" you may be masking other
things, like vacuum leaks, etc............When you use a light and it is
running crappy, then you can pin point..................
I have had a few customers time their cars"by ear"...EVERY one of them was
off by 5 to 15 degrees..basically too much advance under load and at high
rpms....................this leads to burned pistons, etc.
Adam P
81 Westy "The Brick "
70 Single Cab "Whitey"
74 Beetle "Ol Yeller"
73 Transporter (STILL at paint shop)
1988 Vanagon Wolfsburg
1976 Transporter (New CA bus)
1974 412 "Goldmember"
Used Vanagon Parts for sale (mostly aircooled)
----- Original Message -----
From: "ok artguy" <okartguy@hotmail.com>
To: <vgonman@MSN.COM>; <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
Sent: Monday, April 28, 2003 12:38 PM
Subject: Re: ATTN: 80-83 Owners
> I'm running a Weber 2bbl setup in my '81, because that's what it came with
> when I bought it. I have the complete FI setup that I tried
(unsuccessfully)
> to reinstall, so I went back to the carb. My experience is that it's been
> pretty reliable, but also somewhat of a PITA. I'm running an 050
> distributor, and so far have had to adjust the timing several times for
hot
> and cold-weather operating conditions. In true shade-tree fashion, this is
> done "by ear" until my idle speed is sufficient and the thing doesn't
diesel
> when I shut it down. The other problem with running a Weber is that it's
> generally too rich at idle and too lean at full throttle, and the fuel
> mileage sucks. Still, the car's a beater and I just don't have the time
or
> the ambition to sort out the FI setup, plus it fires up every morning and
> gets me down the road to work when it's too cold or wet to ride my
Ducati;).
> Just MTCW... Take it easy-
>
> JJ
> Oklahoma CIty
>
>
>
> >If you are running an 009 there is no way you have proper
advance........My
> >guess is that someone timed it for full advance and then at idle the
> >advance
> >is high...........so instead of starting at 7.5 btdc, probably more like
> >20btdc, then advancing to 38 to 42 at 3500 rpms or so...................
> >
> >t will work, but it is doing you harm on the low end in the long
> >run...................
> >
> >It also sounds as if those other busses you have had or driven were not
> >tuned right........no stock motor with carbs will run better than one
with
> >FI............FI is no hassle at all if you know what you are doing, and
> >not
> >guessing.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Adam P
> >81 Westy "The Brick "
> >70 Single Cab "Whitey"
> >74 Beetle "Ol Yeller"
> >73 Transporter (STILL at paint shop)
> >1988 Vanagon Wolfsburg
> >1976 Transporter (New CA bus)
> >1974 412 "Goldmember"
> >Used Vanagon Parts for sale (mostly aircooled)
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Paul Wies" <Simplstupd@AOL.COM>
> >To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
> >Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2003 11:07 AM
> >Subject: Re: ATTN: 80-83 Owners
> >
> >
> > > I have had 2 buses with the fuel injection. Never a problem, and good
> > > service.
> > > With this one being a 2bbl it still gives the same great service but
> >less
> > > hassle.
> > >
> > > I too though it was a Weber conversion but it has a Motorcraft
electric
> >choke
> > > installed.
> > >
> > > The power, even with the 009 and points, is outstanding. Again, have
> >had
> >2
> > > others with a 2.0L and this is by far the most powerful and clean
> >running.
> > > Doesn't hurt that it has a fresh rebuild in it with new German
heads....
> > >
> > > I'm in love, just wanted to hookup with other owners to compare notes
> >and
> > > such.
> > >
> > > I can easily put the original distributor back in but if it ain't
broke;
> > > don't fix it.
> > >
> > > Don't have to worry about carb icing-this is sunny Central FL.
> > >
> > > Take Care
> > > Paul
> > >
>
>
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