Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 13:04:54 -0700
Reply-To: wilden1@JUNO.COM
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From: Stan Wilder <wilden1@JUNO.COM>
Subject: Re: Front Heater Fan Removal & Replacing HOW TO! - LONG
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I think you can calculate that with this new Ceramics Engine coatings
business I'm going to be plugging in one of my 3 over priced Type IV
engines into something.
I truly love Westy but I think I'm just going to get another 68/79 bus or
a plain Vanagon to use as a parts runner.
Now I've told you ............. go buy something from me.
http://www.williamwareagency.com/forsale/firesale0.htm
Stan
On Fri, 30 May 2003 13:45:26 -0400 vw4x4@fyi.net writes:
> Stan,
> It looks to me as if your are getting out of the
> Vanagon business. Does this mean once you sell all
> your parts you will no longer be here on the list server?
>
>
> Eric
>
>
>
> Stan Wilder wrote:
>
> > Fan motor .................. With Resistor $15.00
> > http://www.williamwareagency.com/forsale/firesale0.htm
> > If you don't like the price ............. demand a better price!
> > You might be surprised.
> > More stuff coming tonight and tomorrow, book mark the page.
> >
> > Stan Wilder
> >
> > On Mon, 12 May 2003 19:55:38 -0700 Joel Cort
> <joel_cort@YAHOO.COM>
> > writes:
> > > Hi Shannon and other Listees
> > >
> > > I read you problem and have done this job before. It sure
> sounds
> > > like you need a new fan motor. You can pick one up at the Bus
> Depot,
> > > Vanagain or VolksCafe for about $100 + shipping. That is the
> easy
> > > part, now you have to install the new mortor..... read on.
> > >
> > > David Beierl -- dbeierl@attglobal.net has been a great resource
> and
> > > wealth
> > > of information on how to do this for me. He even shipped out
> FedEx
> > > those
> > > darn 11 clips to me.
> > >
> > > This is a fairly easy job as far as Vanagons are concerned but
> be
> > > ready to spend the weekend.
> > >
> > > Before you get started with this project you may also want to
> order
> > > those darn 11 clamps at your VW dealer. They are VW Part number
> 321
> > > 819 059 and you will need them to reseal the heater unit.
> Having
> > > the Bentley guide will also be helpful.
> > >
> > > Below are some basic instructions for doing the job:
> > >
> > > Disconnect the battery: You will be working without the dash
> and
> > > with exposed hot terminals so it is best to disconnect the
> ground
> > > connection. To do this move the passenger seat forward, remove
> the
> > > plate under the rear of the seat protecting the battery and
> loosed
> > > the ground connection. Pull the ground wire off the terminal
> and
> > > fasten it so that it does not flip back and touch the battery
> > > terminal again.
> > > Instrument cluster removal: Pull the instrument panel off
> and
> > > remove all the wiring. There are 4 Phillips #2 screws holding
> the
> > > plastic tab of the instrument cluster. Be careful, these tabs
> can
> > > get brittle with age. They will break and shatter. Wiggle you
> hand
> > > behind the speedometer and unclip the spedo cable. Just squeeze
> the
> > > connector and it will come out. Next pull out the switches by
> > > pressing the tabs to release them from the cluster. The
> cluster
> > > should lift out and remove the big wire connector plug. This
> will
> > > provide you room to get under the dash board. Put the cluster in
> a
> > > safe place that you will not sit or lay other components on.
> > > Vent lever removal: Release all the vent levers. If you pull
> on
> > > the blue and red rubber knobs they will work off the lever. You
> will
> > > be able to see the mounting nut after the instrument panel is
> > > removed. You may have to remove the front and rear heater fan
> > > switches as well. Also remove any auxiliary wiring on the dash
> that
> > > you may have added on.
> > > Radio: Remove the radio you are on your own here
> > > Remove the Glove box: press the retaining tabs and lower
> the
> > > box to the floor board. Slide it off its pivot. Be careful not
> to
> > > press the retaining tabs to much or too hard, they could be
> brittle
> > > and break.
> > > Syncro dash plate: (Applies to SYNCRO Model) Remove the
> Syncro
> > > dash plate and Differential lock switch(es).
> > > Steering column: Remove the two bolts holding the steering
> > > column to the dash frame. These are safety bolts without a head
> > > because it is meant to snap off when the bolts are torque at
> the
> > > factory. I used a pair of vise grips and was able to turn these
> > > bolts loose. I replaced them with normal bolts. I think they are
> a
> > > thread of 8x1.25 mm and 25 cm long. The steering column will
> drop
> > > to the driver s seat and that is ok and out of the way.
> > > Dashboard attachment: Unbolt the dashboard
> > > a. 6 or 8 #3 Philips head below the windshield
> > > b. 4 big bolts along the door jams. You will need to be able
> to
> > > open the doors wide enough to get your screwdriver/bolt driver
> in
> > > there
> > >
> > > 9) Dash removal: Ok the Dash should be loose and ready to
> pull
> > > off.
> > > a. Lift it up slowly and check what else is still wired and
> > > connected, like the cig lighter or AC switches, You will have
> to
> > > unplug all.
> > > b. I did it by myself but with an extra person it sure is easier
> to
> > > lift and pull the dash out one side or the other.
> > >
> > > 10) Review the heater unit: With the dash out you can now see
> the
> > > heater unit shell.
> > >
> > > a. Fastening clips: Check to see if there are black metallic
> > > clips (11 of them) snapping the upper half of this heater
> together.
> > > This
> > > is an indication that your heater has been pull out and
> separated
> > > once
> > > before for service. If there are no clips then this is the
> first
> > > time this heater
> > > unit is being serviced. There is a smooth factory mold gluing
> the
> > > upper
> > > and lower half of the heater unit sealed from the factory. You
> will
> > > have to
> > > run a blade or knife along this edge to separate the two
> halves.
> > > Make sure
> > > that you order the 11 clips available only at the VW dealers.
> It
> > > will be tough
> > > on a Sunday afternoon to find these at NAPA. They cost about $2
> or
> > > so.
> > > VW part number 321 819 059
> > >
> > > b. Heater unit support: Ok the heater unit is held in place by
> 4
> > > long Philips
> > > screws, 2 inside the cabin and 2 from outside by the
> headlights.
> > > You will have to remove the front upper grill to get to these.
> > > Once
> > > you remove the grill you will see against the firewall just the
> > > Phillips
> > > head holding a felt or soft washer. These should be the upper
> > > supporting
> > > screws for the heater unit. They may be rusted to where you
> cannot
> > > get
> > > your screwdriver into it. Just work it and don t strip it or
> rush
> > > this part. On
> > > the inside the screws should be easier. You may need a long
> > > Phillips #3
> > > screwdriver.
> > > David Beierl adds: The big M6 screws holding the heater box
> > > in are Phillips #3 and not #2, and if you use a #2 driver
> > > you're gonna most likely mess them up. Not too terrible
> > > on the exposed ones, but a big problem with the buried
> > > ones on the heater box. What I've actually done is use
> > > the longest #3 I could get, and clamp one of the special
> > > Vise-grips made for hex nuts on the plastic handle to
> > > turn it with, then lean into the end with as much body
> > > weight as I can manage to keep the driver from coming out.
> > > With that combination I could get enough force in there to
> > > either remove the screw or twist the head off -- not as good
> > > obviously but far better than buggering the head of the screw.
> > >
> > > c. Coolant hose removal: You will also need to remove the
> coolant
> > > hoses
> > > coming up from the housing. Be neat and try to capture any
> coolant
> > > drips before
> > > they get to the rug. I used lots of newspaper rags and paper
> > > towels. Not too much
> > > came out when I did this, but the heater core is full of coolant
> so
> > > when you take the
> > > actual heater unit out be aware that some coolant may drip. I
> put a
> > > couple of corks
> > > in the pipes to keep them as sealed as I could.
> > >
> > > 11) Removal out of the van: Ok the disassembly is complete you
> are
> > > ready to take the heater unit out of the van for the service.
> Again
> > > plug the coolant pipes and hoses to not loose too much coolant
> on
> > > the front rug in the van.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 12) Servicing the Heater Unit:
> > > a. Separate the two halves: with the heater unit in your work
> > > area (or garage floor) you can now separate the shells and get
> to
> > > the fan motor. See the seam between the two shells and try to
> run a
> > > knife or a blade along that seam. Be patient and work it slowly
> to
> > > not damage anything internal and yourself. Refer to the Bentley
> > > instructions if need be. Again make sure that you have the VW
> > > engineered clips to buckle these two halves once you are ready
> to re
> > > install.
> > >
> > > b. Replacing the Heater Fan: With the two halves split you can
> now
> > > service the fan motor. I recall that it easily comes out. You
> will
> > > probably have to remove the squirrel cages from you old motor
> and
> > > insert them on the new motor. It may take a very small Allen
> wrench
> > > for that don t know? Forgot? Mark the orientation of all the
> parts
> > > to fit back in place properly and in the right direction. Refit
> the
> > > new fan motor and test it out with a 12-volt source. Make sure
> it
> > > works and spins in the correct direction.
> > >
> > > c. Wiring the Heater Fan: The wires are connected/soldered to
> the
> > > big green resistor. This is what provides the 3 fan speeds. You
> will
> > > also note the three or four wires coming from the switch to the
> big
> > > resistor. Do you soldering tricks and remember where the
> yellow,
> > > brown, black wires go. If the big green resistor is cracked or
> > > blackened it may need to be replaced as well. Test it out on
> all
> > > three speeds.
> > >
> > > d. Heater core servicing: You may choose to service other
> > > components of the heater unit such as the heater radiator core
> of
> > > the vent flaps. You can check the heater core for any leakage,
> > > which you could have smelled as sweet maple syrup prior to
> taking
> > > this job on. There should be signs of corrosion if the core is
> > > leaking. You can remove the heater core and flush it out or look
> for
> > > any signs of leaks. In which case it would be very very wise
> to
> > > change the heater core as well since you have it all out and can
> do
> > > it right. List vendors sell this unit for around $100.
> > >
> > > e. Vent Flaps Servicing: While you are at it, check the foam
> seals
> > > around all the flaps. These are usually burned out after 10 +
> years
> > > in service, and may need to be replaced. I made all the
> replacement
> > > seal from foam pieces that I had laying around from old
> packaging.
> > > Go to a hardware store and check out the foam material in the
> > > heating and air conditioning section. They usually will have
> some
> > > material that will work. You cannot get this from VW so you
> have to
> > > custom make this. The important flaps to check are the lower
> flaps.
> > > This seal is what stops the outside from coming into the cab
> and
> > > warming up the Van in the summer time.
> > >
> > > 13) Reinstallation: OK you are done. I'm done, I can t think
> of
> > > anything else at the moment. Refit the heater flaps, the heater
> > > core, the fan motor and cage, the resistor and reassemble the
> two
> > > halves using the 11 clips. Refit the heater unit in the van,
> refit
> > > the coolant hoses on the heater core. Check the vent cabling to
> > > ensure that all works well inside the box. Refit and remount
> > > everything in reverse order and you should be golden.
> > >
> > > 14) Fill the coolant and bleed the circuit as described on
> the
> > > list or in Bentley. Flush the air out and you are set.
> > >
> > > Hope this helps,
> > >
> > > Joel Cort Joel.cort@usa.xerox.com or Joel_Cort@yahoo
> > > 89 Syncro Westy
> > > Rochester NY.
> > >
> > > LiMBO representative for the Western New York region.
> > >
> > >
> > > Shannon Mitchell <vze4rq5j@VERIZON.NET> wrote:
> > > My front heater fan is going on the fritz... loud screeching
> noise
> > > and it is driving me crazy... Where is this fan? and how hard is
> it
> > > to change?
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance
> > > Shannon
> > > 91 Vanagon
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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