Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 00:33:24 -0700
Reply-To: wilden1@JUNO.COM
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From: Stan Wilder <wilden1@JUNO.COM>
Subject: Re: [vanagon] New found AC Refrigerant
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I sold a drop in refrigerant called Cool-It for a while.
Here is what was scary.
A/C systems will work on about any compressed gas, it just has to
moisture free and compressible.(By work I only mean that they will work
at some level of cooling, not true efficiency.)
The people that pick up Freon recovery tanks (buy it) from systems that
need evacuation have blown up a substantial amount of equipment in
reprocessing the used freon.
The freon is put in a cooker and it gasses and is per-se distilled back
to a useable Freon Product.
The process removes lubricants, moisture etc.
Many A/C systems have been charged with Butane / LP Fuels when Freon
became a Gold product.
The butane / propane / other LP fuels have exploded several factories
because in the early days of Freon becoming Gold and getting over 10$
pound the factories hadn't been testing for Fuels in the Recovery Tanks.
The investigation showed that unscrupulous garage owners were charging
the customers for Freon and installing Butane products in the systems.
Shame that several people had to be killed before testing was an EPA
requirement.
Auto makers simply started spinning the compressors faster to make the
R134 work somewhere as good as Freon.
R134 functions at about 90% of the effiency of Freon.
No more 41 out the center duct, more like 44 degrees.
The failure rate of compressors is way up there now and the price of
rebuilt compressors had jumped too.
Seems that there is a big cash cow standing under our hood.
Stan Wilder
On Sun, 15 Jun 2003 21:52:59 -0700 Paul Archibald <androbus@YAHOO.COM>
writes:
> --- jhlauterbach <jhlauterbach@msn.com> wrote:
> > Paul, your are right, I should have given more details on
> > the MSDS. However, since I do toxicology for a living
> > (as well as being an organiker by training), I could be
> > considered an expert and have legal liability for
> > interpreting the meaning of the Material Safety Data
> > Sheet for the refrigerant under discussion.
>
>
> ah! makes mucho sense now! ;0)
> had a look-see myself, and as I am not fully up on wha is
> good/bad, an not sure if it really could be of ANY danger
> really....after all it's not in contact with our
> respiratory system if all is working corrrectly, buuuuut..
> ;-( if something was going to happen....people keep
> worrying about the flamability....BFD there...any real
> issue would be toxicity if venting into the a/c system huh?
> of course if y'all were smoking......but...
>
> Paul
>
>
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