Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 22:42:48 -0700
Reply-To: Mark Dorm <mark_hb@HOTMAIL.COM>
Sender: Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From: Mark Dorm <mark_hb@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: [vanagon] New found AC Refrigerant
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I was told that for a mechanic to use Freeze 12 he has to have the right
equipment as in recovery, and fittings, and that most no one has this
stuff... so it doesn't seem feesible unless someone can point to a mechanic
shop that has the proper equipment.. I'm in the southern calif area, in case
there are any fingers. Though a florida address/phone-number would be a
handy reference.. . Really are there any shops out there? Anywhere?
>From: Stan Wilder <wilden1@JUNO.COM>
>
>I sold a drop in refrigerant called Cool-It for a while.
>Here is what was scary.
>A/C systems will work on about any compressed gas, it just has to
>moisture free and compressible.(By work I only mean that they will work
>at some level of cooling, not true efficiency.)
>The people that pick up Freon recovery tanks (buy it) from systems that
>need evacuation have blown up a substantial amount of equipment in
>reprocessing the used freon.
>The freon is put in a cooker and it gasses and is per-se distilled back
>to a useable Freon Product.
>The process removes lubricants, moisture etc.
>Many A/C systems have been charged with Butane / LP Fuels when Freon
>became a Gold product.
>The butane / propane / other LP fuels have exploded several factories
>because in the early days of Freon becoming Gold and getting over 10$
>pound the factories hadn't been testing for Fuels in the Recovery Tanks.
>The investigation showed that unscrupulous garage owners were charging
>the customers for Freon and installing Butane products in the systems.
>Shame that several people had to be killed before testing was an EPA
>requirement.
>Auto makers simply started spinning the compressors faster to make the
>R134 work somewhere as good as Freon.
>R134 functions at about 90% of the effiency of Freon.
>No more 41 out the center duct, more like 44 degrees.
>The failure rate of compressors is way up there now and the price of
>rebuilt compressors had jumped too.
>Seems that there is a big cash cow standing under our hood.
>
>Stan Wilder
>
>
>On Sun, 15 Jun 2003 21:52:59 -0700 Paul Archibald <androbus@YAHOO.COM>
>writes:
> > --- jhlauterbach <jhlauterbach@msn.com> wrote:
> > > Paul, your are right, I should have given more details on
> > > the MSDS. However, since I do toxicology for a living
> > > (as well as being an organiker by training), I could be
> > > considered an expert and have legal liability for
> > > interpreting the meaning of the Material Safety Data
> > > Sheet for the refrigerant under discussion.
> >
> >
> > ah! makes mucho sense now! ;0)
> > had a look-see myself, and as I am not fully up on wha is
> > good/bad, an not sure if it really could be of ANY danger
> > really....after all it's not in contact with our
> > respiratory system if all is working corrrectly, buuuuut..
> > ;-( if something was going to happen....people keep
> > worrying about the flamability....BFD there...any real
> > issue would be toxicity if venting into the a/c system huh?
> > of course if y'all were smoking......but...
> >
> > Paul
> >
> >
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