Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 12:23:38 -0700
Reply-To: Robert Keezer <warmerwagen@HOTMAIL.COM>
Sender: Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From: Robert Keezer <warmerwagen@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject: Re: Are Ebay second chance auctions legit?
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From eBay's own website:
>>What is a Second Chance Offer?
Second Chance offers can be sent to any one of the under-bidders if the
winning bidder does not complete a purchase or if a seller has duplicate
items. Second Chance offers can be created immediately after a listing ends
and for up to 60 days after the end of the listing. Sellers should ensure
that everything has been done to resolve the issue with the winning bidder
in non-paying bidder cases before sending a Second Chance Offer to another
bidder. See the Non-Paying Bidder program for details.
Note: This feature is also available for Reserve Price Auctions that do not
meet reserve in select eBay Motor Vehicle categories. Learn more.
Why should a seller send a Second Chance Offer?
A seller might make a Second Chance Offer if their auction's winning bidder
failed to complete the sale. The Second Chance Offer feature also allows
sellers to offer a duplicate item to one of their non-winning bidders, while
at the same time completing the sale with the winning bidder. Please note,
however, that it's not possible to make Second Chance Offers in a Multiple
Item Auction (Dutch Auction.)
Best of all, creating a Second Chance Offer is FREE. Sellers pay only the
Final Value Fee when the offer is accepted.<<
Since many of us on the Vanagon list who sell or buy on eBay are honest, the
list is also where I will be thrashed if I scam anyone.
It has been seen here before.
If anyone has a suspicion that a seller is a listmember that is scamming you
then it's relevant.
But if we don't know the person , the place to report your suspicions is
eBay, not the list.
There have been a few heads up that we appreciated-like the guy who was
importing vanagon double cabs etc from Europe.
He got busted and thrown in jail -I belive he ripped eBya buyers off $15,000
or more- and some of his victims were list members.
However, before you begin specualtiing that someone is scamming, make sure
you are positive by first get confirmation from eBay.
Don't put someone on trial on the Vanagon list who may be a listmember and
who's reputation you might ruin if you misinterpret the information.
Saying on this list that something is fishy on Ebay is not the proper
channel to go through.
Take it to ebay who will investigate the seller and if you don't trust the
seller than avoid him.
But as you have read, a second chance offer is legit.
If the seller is selling more than one item-read that- Dutch auctions sell
to high bidders and underbidders.
Investigate it thru eBay.
Robert K
1982 Westfalia
1986 Westfalia
1991 Syncro
----Original Message Follows----
From: Aristotle Sagan
Who put a rock in your pants?
This is some method developed by EBay to keep jerks from bidding the price
up with NO intention to pay when they have won the auction. The next person
down has no obligation to buy it at the last bid price or any price. They
are just offered the opportunity to do so when some loser jerk has ripped
off both the seller and the second place bidder by dishonest bidding.
As far as both seller and buyer being capable of dishonest behavior, what's
new? I have had sellers yank there item 20 minutes before the end of an
auction because they weren't getting the price they wanted. The same item
shows up twop weeks later and the seller tries again. I have complained to
EBay, but it does no good, it's a seelrs auction site.
tim in san jose, home of EBay
>From: SStones <sstones@IDIRECT.COM>
>Reply-To: SStones <sstones@IDIRECT.COM>
>To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>Subject: Re: Are Ebay second chance auctions legit?
>Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 08:49:44 -0400
>
>At 06:29 PM 7/7/03 -0700, Robert Keezer wrote:
>>I sell on eBay and this is what a second chance offer is: a opportunity to
>>buy the item you lost to the highest bidder who did'nt buy the item.
>
>Ebay states that the seller is obligated to sell the item to the highest
>bidder. If the seller does not do so they have misused the system. Argue
>all you want that it's the high-bidder's fault, at that point it doesn't
>matter. The Seller is the one who suddenly starts sending unsolicited
>e-mails to the legit bidders. Always be wary of salesmen who have to resort
>to spam mailing to unload their crap.
>
>
>>So the seller has the option of relisting or offering it to a lower bidder
>>or underbidder.
>>
>>It is a eBay sponsored action and in no way is it a scam.
>>No one forces you to bid higher in an auction but yourself.
>>
>>You are offered a second chance to buy it at your highest bid, not the
>>highest bid placed by the person who outbid you but then did'nt buy the
>>item
>>for whatever reason.
>
>Because the seller IS the highest bidder and/or the seller does not do his
>part in ensuring that the item is sold to them.
>
>
>>This is not some kind of shill deal, unless you can find by researching it
>>that the seller is involved.
>
>Alright, Devil's Advocate mode off. Bidders and sellers are both dishonest
>when allowed to be. Great work, E-bay, you've failed to ensure that your
>services are legit.
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