Date:         Wed, 24 Sep 2003 20:25:00 -0600
Reply-To:     tom ring <taring@TARING.ORG>
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From:         tom ring <taring@TARING.ORG>
Organization: Tippen Ringware
Subject:      Re: Strange messages-- infected file
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I say this as someone who has worked as a sysadmin at a credit transaction
network ops center, and also at a moderately large ISP.

Just don't use Outlook.  Anyone that hasn't caught a virus/worm/whatever is
lucky, or more likely, wrong.  You caught it and never knew it.  I have spent
way too many hours trying to convince customers they were infected, while they
said they weren't because their antivirus programs said they weren't.

Folks, antivirus programs are very often wrong, and I've watch 10 of megabits
per second of traffic from corporate and private systems that are "OK" that
prove it.  You have no idea how much effort is put into biulding cisco ACLs
(access control lists), and PIX firewall lists, and more, to keep this crap at
bay.

tom

On 24 Sep 2003 at 20:13, tom ring wrote:

> Right.  Keep fooling yourself.  The best way to use it is not.
>
> On 24 Sep 2003 at 18:11, Philip Chidlaw wrote:
>
> > It's largely in how you use outlook. I have been very actively running
> > OL (not express) on my work and home machines as my sole email client
> > since its lame beginnings in 95 with never an infection by virus,
> > trojan, or worm. Hoaxes - yes.
> >
> > Philip Chidlaw
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM] On Behalf
> > Of tom ring
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 6:37 PM
> > To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> > Subject: Re: Strange messages-- infected file
> >
> >
> > And if you don't use MS Outlook or Outlook Express, you pretty much
> > don't need to worry if they get by the filter.
> >
> > My problem with this whole thing is that many people stand there with a
> > huge target painted on themselves and then try to put enough plexiglass
> > between them and the snipers.
> >
> > Get smart.  Get rid of Outlook.  Use something, ANYTHING, else.
> >
> > No offense, and I'm not singling anyone out.  I'm just being realistic
> > here.
> >
> > tom
> >
>
>
> ------
> Tom Ring K0TAR, ex-WA2PHW  EN34hx
> 85 Westphalia GL Albert
> 96 Jetta GL The Intimidator
> taring@taring.org
>
> "It is better to go into a turn slow, and come out fast, than to go into a turn fast
> and come out dead." Stirling Moss
>
>
>


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Tom Ring K0TAR, ex-WA2PHW  EN34hx
85 Westphalia GL Albert
96 Jetta GL The Intimidator
taring@taring.org

"It is better to go into a turn slow, and come out fast, than to go into a turn fast
and come out dead." Stirling Moss