Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 20:32:45 -0700
Reply-To: gary hradek <hradek@YAHOO.COM>
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From: gary hradek <hradek@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: it will actually freeze
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mark,
It is truely a unique characheristic of water to
expand when it freezes and turns to a solid and
destroy your block.
All other things including antifreeze shrink when it
turns to a solid. No problem when it shrinks. When it
comes to freezing it is the water that is the problem.
Now heat, this is a different thing.
So it is of interst to me to know what works best for
heat? many thanks for your input but consider
expansion. regards gary
--- Mark Tuovinen <mst@ak.net> wrote:
> Gary,
>
> You assume much, just because I live 40 miles from
> the valley world renown for the strength and quality
> of its organic recreational pharmaceuticals,I DO NOT
> SMOKE ANYTHING, except maybe punks in souped up
> Honda's(even if they are my customers).
> You do not need -70F to see a gallon of antifreeze
> turn to ice! Living 34 years, and working 20 years
> in the automobile business in Anchorage, AK I have
> seen entire pallets of frozen antifreeze. If I
> recall correctly it happens around -25 to -35F, not
> frozen solid, but definitely frozen more than I want
> in my engine. Your household freezer does not get
> cold enough to duplicate the temperatures that many
> parts of the world see. Cold weather is just as good
> a reason to not use full strength as hot weather is.
> The chart that the antifreeze manufacturer puts on
> the back of the bottle is NOT there for decoration,
> Ethylene Gycol needs water added to give your engine
> maximum protection from cold as well as heat. A
> quick check of the print on the back of one of
> several different types of antifreeze that we have
> in stock reveals the warning to never use it above
> 75% strength. A 60/40 mix will be good for about
> -60F, about as good as you can get it, but not good
> enough for some areas
> . The poor souls that live near Fairbanks, AK, about
> 370 miles north of me can see temperatures as high
> as 100F in the summer, and as low as -75F in winter.
>
> If you would like further verification on this I
> would be glad to provide the names and numbers of
> clients that run automotive repair shops up here.
>
>
> Mark in AK
> 87 Westy Syncro
>
> Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 12:45:31 -0700
> Mark,
> What in god's name have you been smokin.
> Perhaps you have been inhaling too much of that half
> and half. Only reason not to use full strength is
> that it's heat capacity is lower and boiling point
> is
> lower. Alcohol freezes at a much lower temperature
> than water. Ethylene gycol is an alcohol. Water
> absorbs more heat per gram than alcohol but it
> freezes
> at 0 centigrade. Take a cup of antifreeze and put
> it
> in your freezer. Maybe at minus 70 you will see
> ethylene glycol freeze. gary
> From: Mark Tuovinen <mst@AK.NET>
> Subject: Re: water pump R&R
>
> Another reason to NOT use straight antifreeze, it
> will
> actually freeze
> in cold temperatures. The automobile and antifreeze
> manufacturers know
> what they are doing on this one. If you want to
> limit
> the corrosion mix
> your antifreeze with distilled water, but add water,
> do not use it
> straight.
>
> Mark in AK
>
>
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