Date:         Wed, 8 Oct 2003 12:12:15 -0700
Reply-To:     gary hradek <hradek@YAHOO.COM>
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From:         gary hradek <hradek@YAHOO.COM>
Subject:      Coleman Propane Heaters
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Andrew and Bob,
                          I just bought a coleman
procat for under $75.00.   It is much bigger than I
thought it would be.   I intend to use it as an
alternative to starting the van up and running the
engine to warm the inside.   What is clear is that the
new design reduces the co level to safe levels as you
can measure this with a co detector.   There is
nothing you can do about the c02 however.   It is
likely that the high co2 level will do you in before
the lack of oxygen.   For this reason Coleman clearly
states that you should not use this device while you
sleep.   Reading between the lines I think they are
saying you could do the big sleep.
     So I am guessing that co is not the problem but
co2.
In any case my really problem is how can I get this
thing to make toast.   I like toast when I camp and I
have never had good toast while camping.   It either
taste of smoke or it is unevenly toasted.   The stove
does not toast well.
This procat seems like it could do toast.
             gary

Date:    Wed, 8 Oct 2003 12:02:41 -0600
From:    Andrew Fox <afox@CNR.COLOSTATE.EDU>
Subject: Re: Coleman Propane Heaters

I think it is a valid lawsuit and hope it wins.  The
main problem is
that
the catalytic heater manufacturers market their
heaters for use in
enclosed spaces but then in the instructin manual it
says clearly "do
not
use in non-ventilated spaces or you may die".  It
should say this
clearly
on the front of the package.  To make matters worse
some idiots use a
catalytic heater in their tent/van/house and have not
died yet so they
spread rumors that these heaters are safe for indoor
use.  The major
reason that people  use un-vented catalytic heaters is
that they cost
under $100 while the cheapest vented heater is around
$400.

On Wed, 8 Oct 2003, Bob Stevens wrote:

>
http://www.sltrib.com/2003/Oct/10082003/business/99762.asp
>
> Not that most or all of you don't already know about
this kind of
stuff, but
> thought it was worth forwarding.
>
> Bob Stevens
>

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