Date:         Thu, 16 Oct 2003 17:01:48 -0400
Reply-To:     Tim Demarest <tim.demarest@POBOX.COM>
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From:         Tim Demarest <tim.demarest@POBOX.COM>
Subject:      NVC - Re: The Ideal vanagon
Comments: To: Mike Miller <mwmiller@CWNET.COM>
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I hate to propogate a NVC thread, but one of my favorite quotes wraps it up
nicely...

"Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary
safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."  - Benjamin Franklin

At 01:28 PM 10/16/2003 -0700, Mike Miller wrote:
>I'm gonna send my comments to William off list as this doesn't have much,
>anything, to do with Vans.  But summarized:  disagree.
>
>Mike
>
>On 10/16/03 12:50 PM, "developtrust" <developtrust@COX.NET> wrote:
>
> > Am I missing something? If one has nothing to hide, why be concerned if you
> > can be found?
> >
> > To me, not scary at all if you are honest and not a criminal. It is
> actually
> > (for honest people) a security and safety thing isn't it? Lost? You can be
> > found? Kidnapped? You can be found. Cell phone stolen? It can be found.
> > Sounds pretty good to me. Want privacy? Leave the cell phone at home. Want
> > emergency help? Bring the cell phone with you.
> >
> > William
> >
> >
> >> i know a few people that work in the national security sector (people
> >> that can't tell me what they do and who or where they work)... even if a
> >> cell phone is turned off and the battery is out, the cell phone tower
> >> will still be able to contact it, and help to pinpoint the phone's
> >> location. It is not until enough of the juice is drained out of the cell
> >> phone (w/o the battery) that it will cease to function. Pretty scary. I
> >>
> >> Joseph Fortino wrote:
> >>
> >>> as soon as they install complete GPS signal tracking you'll be tracked.
> >>> this includes the GPS software. most phones don't support it yet.
> >>
> >
> >