Date:         Sun, 26 Oct 2003 04:35:03 +0000
Reply-To:     Chris DeLong <green536@HOTMAIL.COM>
Sender:       Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From:         Chris DeLong <green536@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject:      Re: Lug Nuts for Audi 5000 Turbo Wheels
Comments: To: BenTbtstr8@AOL.COM
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FYI (just to add to what Ben said; ALL Audi's after'85 have 14mm bolt
diameters. Bolt pattern on Audi wheels with 5 holes is 5x112 which is the
same as our Vanagons. All Audis use ball shaped seats. So do all VW's. This
is of course directly pertaining to stock OEM wheels.

On the scary side :) I did not lengthen my rear studs for the A4 wheels on
my Van. I have put the van to the test (and no I am not talking about long
freeway driving) and they havent fallen off yet. This of course is
compounded with 5mm spacers too. :) The fronts have spacers that are 25mm
thick and I used Audi bolts to attach them to the spacers. No problem there
either (except for some rubbing which has been cured).



Chris DeLong
Fine Tuning
206.367.5503
www.finetuningperformance.com
Seattle, WA USA





>From: Ben T <BenTbtstr8@AOL.COM>
>Reply-To: BenTbtstr8@AOL.COM
>To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>Subject: Re: Lug Nuts for Audi 5000 Turbo Wheels
>Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 19:20:51 EDT
>
>In a message dated 10/24/2003 7:37:32 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
>bbeasley@MIX.WVU.EDU writes:
>OK, I promise, this is the last question about the 5000T wheels.  What lug
>nuts are you Audi wheel rollin' Syncros using?  The wheel is a ball-seat
>but
>all of the VW alloys use cone-seat nuts.  Audi uses lug bolts rather than
>nuts, which won't work on VW hubs.  Can I use my good ole steel ball-seat
>lug nuts on the Audi alloys.
>Ben B.,
>
>The wheels don't care whether you are using bolts or studs. The only thing
>that matters is the seat. Depending on which Audi wheels you are using, it
>is
>possible to find both ball and cone seat lugbolts/nuts on them. Same can be
>said
>of VW alloys. There are also two different size bolt/stud used by both
>companies -- 12 mm or 14 mm. The ball seat on the smaller stud/nut is
>proportionally
>smaller.
>
>Your lugnuts from your steel wheels can fit an Audi alloy wheel with
>lugholes
>for a 14 mm stud/bolt. You problem will be the length of your stock studs.
>I
>have not been following this thread so excuse me if this question has been
>addressed previously. The mounting pad on a steel wheel is much thinner
>than most
>alloy wheels for obvious reasons -- strength. As a consequence alloy wheels
>require a longer stud (and bolts for 2wd). To solve this problem, VW went
>to
>conical seat lugnuts and bolts which "reach in" further than the stock
>ballseat
>lugnuts and lugbolts. Same will be true with the Audi wheel.
>
>If you are going to leave the Audi alloys just as the are, you will need to
>use longer studs and/or bolts to give you the minimum safe number of turns
>for
>a good thread engagement (7.5 turns per VW). If you will using spacers to
>correct your wheel's offset, then your stud/bolt length needs to be
>increased as
>well.
>
>BenT
>please put pmail in subjectline if you are sending me mail
>Vanagon Cafe Alternative Wheels

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