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Date:         Sat, 22 Nov 2003 04:20:34 +0000
Reply-To:     Chris DeLong <green536@HOTMAIL.COM>
Sender:       Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From:         Chris DeLong <green536@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject:      Re: ETKA & ELSA ?
Comments: To: tp@WHSMITHNET.CO.UK
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Understood. However, I have dealt with VWoA first hand (well at least their cronies) and it is a very evil program that VWoA is insighting. I understand the nature of needing compensation for materials. I dont understand compensation for time spent to put it in the mailbox along with the rest of your mail.

Lets say Frank (no offense man but it looks like this to me), sells 50 ETKA copies to US residents @ 10$ USD. Roughly calculating this comes to 700$ CAD in his pocket.

Now lets look at Franks time and materials. 10$ USD for 50 blank CD's. Then we have 1.85$ for shipping. I would guesstimate about 15$ for electricity to run the burner.

Total out of Franks pocket: 26.85$ Total INTO Franks pocket: 473$

All calculations were done in USD.

The facts speak for themselves. I obviously dont expect anyone on the internet to pay me for my internet connection or my time when offering up advice or help. Just keepin it real :)

Chris DeLong Fine Tuning 206.367.5503 www.finetuningperformance.com Seattle, WA USA

>From: Tony Polson <tp@WHSMITHNET.CO.UK> >Reply-To: Tony Polson <tp@WHSMITHNET.CO.UK> >To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM >Subject: Re: ETKA & ELSA ? >Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 21:49:47 -0000 > >Chris DeLong wrote: > > > > Funny that I should see this. ETKA should not be sold as >VWoA will come > > after if they find out you sold any copies. Freely giving >them is another > > story. If I had a burner I would burn everyone a copy. >Those that are > > selling them are missing the idea and the comeraderie (sp) >of owning a VW > > and basically just trying to help a brutha out. > > > > Those that sell them are wrong and dont understand. > > > >Hi Chris, > >In most cases I'd agree. All my computer software is >licensed and registered (yes, I even paid the registration >fee for PKZIP!), I never copy music CDs, never download >copyright music for free and I will never allow my son to >buy illegal copies of software for his PS/2 games console. > >However, I really don't see a problem with people who >distribute ETKA, at least here in the UK. The copies sell >for around GBP 3.00 (about five bucks US). At that price, >no-one is making any real money. > >And VW cannot lose; after all, the only possible use for >ETKA is to decide which VW parts to buy. If ETKA is more >freely available, VW will sell more parts. > >No doubt VW (UK) will sue anyone distributing ETKA in the UK >if they are making a profit at VW (UK)'s expense. So far, >VW (UK) don't seem to have sued anyone, and ETKA has been >available in the UK for about two years. Either VW (UK) are >very slow in initiating court action, or they simply don't >mind. I suggest the latter. > >Best regards, > >Tony >(who is a photographer and regards copyright issues as >intrinsic to the future of his business)

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