Hi Jim,

I haven't got the same van, but just curious (and as far as I know the relay-panel hasn't changed much).

So you have to switch on the lights to start, but do the headlights switch off when you engage the starter (they should)? I will have a look in the bentley's, maybe I'll find a clue.

Grt, Jaap '87 caravelle diesel

----- Original Message ----- From: hosel <hosel@QUIK.COM> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 18:32:35 -0400 To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM Subject: Re: My lights on in order to start car problem

> In pursuit of solving my having to turn on either the parking or > headlights so the car will start, I've come up with two suggestions. > > Sug. 1 is that there is a faulty ground somewhere and the ignition > somehow is talking power from the light circuit in order to start. This > came from a long time VW mechanic. He suggested living with the > problem..... > > Sug. 2 is that someone in the past messed with the relays and put one > back in the wrong location. This was suggested by my German mechanic > friend who hasn't worked on VWs since he escaped Germany for better > bucks... Martin can be intuitive at times and so I'd like to get some > help from anyone on this list that just might happen to have a 90 GL in > their stable..... I took a picture of my van's fuse / relay situation. I > can send that to the person who has a 90' GL if they exist and also are > willing to help me with this pesky problem. Simply let me know if the > number of relays and location is the same as yours.... If it isn't... > then maybe the problem will go away if I change my relays to match > yours... If they're the same, well on to other theories..... > > If anyone with a similar van can help please email me back... > > Thanks > Jim

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