Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 19:29:08 -0500
Reply-To: David Beierl <dbeierl@ATTGLOBAL.NET>
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From: David Beierl <dbeierl@ATTGLOBAL.NET>
Subject: Re: Timing info....
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At 05:47 PM 11/26/2003, All of Us wrote:
>the timing very criptic and hard to understand. I believe it is written that
>way on purpose.
No, I'm afraid it's just lousy writing.
> I think VW wants people to think that they need "special"
>tool 1367 in order to set the timing properly on a Vanagon.
VW has no interest in your being able to work on your car, but they're
required by US law to make the official service manual (I think tech
bulletins too, not sure) available for sale. So this is the official
manual, and it uses VW official procedures and special tools etc. But it's
not a case of affording the tool -- unless you're a dealer they're simply
not available, and the dealer gets a package issue with all of them --
presumably they have a way to replace them if needed, but my local dealer
which is pretty user-friendly acted genuinely puzzled about it when I
naively started looking for some VW tool. Not that they put any effort
into finding out, but they really didn't seem to know. They scratched
their heads and referred me to VWOA who of course told me to take a long
hike on a short pier.
> If you believe
>it the dealer makes extra money because they are the only ones that can
>afford that tool.
>
>My solution was to purchase a Haynes Manual in addition to Bentley. Haynes
>gives a simple step by step procedure for setting the base timing. You may
>need special tool 1367 to check total advance and the advance curve for
Far as I can see, the relevant parts of that tool are a tach and an
adjustable timing light, nothing exotic. Adjustable lights have a knob on
the back marked in degrees of advance -- match up the TDC marks by turning
the knob, and read degrees of its scale. Mine's from Sears, didn't cost
enough for me to remember.
>different RPMs but basic timing can be done with a standard timing light.
>Here are the steps:
>
>1. Warm engine to normal operating temp.
>2. Shut off engine.
>3. Connect timing light.
>4. Connect tachometer.
>5. Restart engine and run up to 2000-2500 RPM.
>6 With engine running disconnect BLUE CONNECTOR from Temp sensor II.
Which would be easy enough on my 1.9l but kind of a bear on a 2.1, is that
right? Or am I thinking of something else up in the thermostat area that's
pointed the wrong way and generally a pain?
>7 Maintain engine RPMs at 2000-2500 and point timing light at timing mark.
That would be the Vee-notch mark at 5BTDC, not the round mark at TDC, right?
Glad you tackled it -- I took a look at Bentley and without a 2.1l to try
it on I got seasick trying to be sure what they were saying.
david
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David Beierl - Providence RI USA -- http://pws.prserv.net/synergy/Vanagon/
'84 Westy "Dutiful Passage"
'85 GL "Poor Relation"
