Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 18:01:56 -0500
Reply-To: Kenneth Wilford <kenwilfy@COMCAST.NET>
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From: Kenneth Wilford <kenwilfy@COMCAST.NET>
Subject: Re: Vanagon Bush Guard /Bumpers
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Good point. About Pzwo caring, I am sure that would care about the use
of their name if I was saying they were Pzwo bull bars and they weren't.
The only reason I mention them is for comparison sake. They have
discontinued selling these bull bar bumpers (it is my understanding that
they didn't actually make them, just marketed and sold them under their
name). I could say, "Hey I have a set of bull bar bumpers for sale."
and not mention Pzwo but mentioning them usually brings up the image of
what they look like in a person's mind. Anyway, the other bumpers that
we sell are made in the US. The three main differences that I know if
between them and the original Projektzwo bull bar bumpers are:
The Pzwo bumper had a very thin aluminum plate "step" on the top, these
have nothing there.
The Pzwo bumper had welded round metal caps on the ends of the pipes,
these have plastic caps.
The rear bumper on these has a 2" receiver hitch welded in, the Pzwo
bumpers did not have this.
These are the facts. I guess I'll have to wait until one of my newer
customers hits an Antelope to tell you for sure the US made ones are up
to the same standard as the Projektwzo ones.
PS did I mention the price was half. This is mainly because of not
having to pay tons of money for shipping from Germany.
Thanks,
Ken Wilford
John 3:16
http://www.vanagain.com
http://www.strictlyvwauctions.com
Phone: (856)-327-4936
Fax: (856)-327-2242
-----Original Message-----
From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf
Of Bruce Nadig
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 5:14 PM
To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
Subject: Re: Vanagon Bush Guard /Bumpers
Ken,
Have you checked your own web site recently? I just checked and it
clearly says "Bulli Bar Bumper- Front-$1399 (Black, Powder Coated)
Discontinued" and "Projektzwo Rear Bumper (Black, Powder Coated)-
$899.00 (Discontinued)". Sure, it looks like you are offering an
American made alternative, but is it made to the same standards (I'm NOT
American bashing here!)? Two things can look the same, but be made to
very different standards when you take into consideration type of steel,
gauge, quality of the welds, etc.
The reason I bring this up is that you specifically reference the
Projektzwo name where you are trying to sell an imitation product. The
Projektzwo folks probably wouldn't be too happy about this. I'll be the
first to admit that the American made alternative you offer could be
every bit as good, if not better, than the discontinued PZ units, but
please try to be careful when representing your products.
I think we have all had disappointing experiences with look alike
products. Generic toilet paper just ain't the same as Charmin. Just
because the PZ bull bar survived an antelope doesn't mean that your
generic (which the American units basically are, who knows who is making
these bumpers and to what standard?) bars will do the same.
Just my two cents.
Bruce
>From: Kenneth Wilford <kenwilfy@COMCAST.NET>
>Reply-To: Kenneth Wilford <kenwilfy@COMCAST.NET>
>To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>Subject: Re: Vanagon Bush Guard /Bumpers
>Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 13:41:58 -0500
>
>If you look on our website on the accessories page you will see the
>Projektzwo bull bars that we sell. I can only tell you about them that
>one of my customers hit an antelope with one and it bent the bull bar
>some but the front of the van was unhurt. Pretty tough. Then they
>just bent the bumper back again (torch and welding equipment required)
>and they were good to go. Just FYI.
>
>Thanks,
>Ken Wilford
>John 3:16
>http://www.vanagain.com
>http://www.strictlyvwauctions.com
>Phone: (856)-327-4936
>Fax: (856)-327-2242
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf
>Of robertmstewart
>Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 12:28 PM
>To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>Subject: Re: Vanagon Bush Guard /Bumpers
>
>
> > Anyone know if all of these bush guards or rear guards actually do
> > anything to protect the van in event of an accident?, some look like
> > it might do more damage.
> >
> > I have seem some of these things mounted in Jeepıs and some appear
> > to
>
> > attached to very weak areas. I just wonder what would happened if I
> > rear ended someone (or hit a tree or deer) with one of these things
> > on
>
> > what kind of protection it would offer the front end of the van, the
> > driver and front passenger?
> >
> > Can the front of the Van truly be protected from damage from a high
> > impact accident with a bush guard?
> >
> > Are they worth their high costs?
> >
> > Whatıs their benefit other than looking cool?
> >
> > Whatıs the best unit available and from what dealer?
> >
> > Robert
> > NYC
> > 89 Carat
> > ----------
> >
> >
> > Anyone had any experience with Fast Forward Vanagon Bush Bumpers?.
> > Is
>
> > there a cheaper option available?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Noel
> > 82 Westy
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