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Date:         Mon, 8 Dec 2003 17:39:22 -0800
Reply-To:     Aristotle Sagan <killer_jupiter@HOTMAIL.COM>
Sender:       Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From:         Aristotle Sagan <killer_jupiter@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject:      Re: pet peeve-edit your replys
Comments: To: dspence@OANET.COM
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Don,

THAT'S a GOOD idea.

tim in san jose

>From: don spence <dspence@OANET.COM> >Reply-To: don spence <dspence@OANET.COM> >To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM >Subject: Re: pet peeve-edit your replys >Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 14:18:20 -0700 > >Is it really necessary to include all the stuff below just to say > >"My Projektwzo copies have the plastic caps, I just shot a can >>of Krown rustproofer inside, it will swish around as I drive. >>I'll probably do it once a season. >> >>Thanks, >>Chris" > >Please folks, (Chris is not the only culprit) edit your replies. You >are gobbling up server/archive space, filling our inboxes and ISP's >servers with useless unnecessary repetition and making an archive >search an arduous task . Please include only the reference necessary to >let us know what you are talking about. >nuff said. > >On Saturday, December 6, 2003, at 10:42 AM, Automatic digest processor >wrote: > >>Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 10:32:02 -0500 >>From: 80 Westy Pokey <pokey@VANAGON.ORG> >>Subject: Re: Vanagon Bush Guard /Bumpers >> >> >>---- Original message ---- >>>Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 18:21:31 -0600 >>>From: Bruce Nadig <motorbruce@HOTMAIL.COM> >>>Subject: Re: Vanagon Bush Guard /Bumpers >>>To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM >>> >>>Ken, >>> >>>Thanks for the comments and clarifications. I guess my >>biggest concern would >>>be the plastic caps on the ends. I'd worry about water >>making it into the >>>tubes and starting some rust. Sounds like a good product. >>> >>>The price drop is certainly a nice feature. I wish you >>success. >>> >>>Cheers, >>>Bruce >>> >>> >>> >>>>From: Kenneth Wilford <kenwilfy@COMCAST.NET> >>>>Reply-To: Kenneth Wilford <kenwilfy@COMCAST.NET> >>>>To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM >>>>Subject: Re: Vanagon Bush Guard /Bumpers >>>>Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 18:01:56 -0500 >>>> >>>>Good point. About Pzwo caring, I am sure that would care >>about the use >>>>of their name if I was saying they were Pzwo bull bars and >>they weren't. >>>>The only reason I mention them is for comparison sake. >>They have >>>>discontinued selling these bull bar bumpers (it is my >>understanding that >>>>they didn't actually make them, just marketed and sold them >>under their >>>>name). I could say, "Hey I have a set of bull bar bumpers >>for sale." >>>>and not mention Pzwo but mentioning them usually brings up >>the image of >>>>what they look like in a person's mind. Anyway, the other >>bumpers that >>>>we sell are made in the US. The three main differences >>that I know if >>>>between them and the original Projektzwo bull bar bumpers >>are: >>>>The Pzwo bumper had a very thin aluminum plate "step" on >>the top, these >>>>have nothing there. >>>>The Pzwo bumper had welded round metal caps on the ends of >>the pipes, >>>>these have plastic caps. >>>>The rear bumper on these has a 2" receiver hitch welded in, >>the Pzwo >>>>bumpers did not have this. >>>> >>>>These are the facts. I guess I'll have to wait until one >>of my newer >>>>customers hits an Antelope to tell you for sure the US made >>ones are up >>>>to the same standard as the Projektwzo ones. >>>> >>>>PS did I mention the price was half. This is mainly >>because of not >>>>having to pay tons of money for shipping from Germany. >>>> >>>>Thanks, >>>>Ken Wilford >>>>John 3:16 >>>>http://www.vanagain.com >>>>http://www.strictlyvwauctions.com >>>>Phone: (856)-327-4936 >>>>Fax: (856)-327-2242 >>>> >>>> >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>From: Vanagon Mailing List >>[mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf >>>>Of Bruce Nadig >>>>Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 5:14 PM >>>>To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM >>>>Subject: Re: Vanagon Bush Guard /Bumpers >>>> >>>> >>>>Ken, >>>> >>>>Have you checked your own web site recently? I just checked >>and it >>>>clearly says "Bulli Bar Bumper- Front-$1399 (Black, Powder >>Coated) >>>>Discontinued" and "Projektzwo Rear Bumper (Black, Powder >>Coated)- >>>>$899.00 (Discontinued)". Sure, it looks like you are >>offering an >>>>American made alternative, but is it made to the same >>standards (I'm NOT >>>>American bashing here!)? Two things can look the same, but >>be made to >>>>very different standards when you take into consideration >>type of steel, >>>>gauge, quality of the welds, etc. >>>> >>>>The reason I bring this up is that you specifically >>reference the >>>>Projektzwo name where you are trying to sell an imitation >>product. The >>>>Projektzwo folks probably wouldn't be too happy about this. >>I'll be the >>>>first to admit that the American made alternative you offer >>could be >>>>every bit as good, if not better, than the discontinued PZ >>units, but >>>>please try to be careful when representing your products. >>>> >>>>I think we have all had disappointing experiences with look >>alike >>>>products. Generic toilet paper just ain't the same as >>Charmin. Just >>>>because the PZ bull bar survived an antelope doesn't mean >>that your >>>>generic (which the American units basically are, who knows >>who is making >>>>these bumpers and to what standard?) bars will do the same. >>>> >>>>Just my two cents. >>>> >>>>Bruce >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>From: Kenneth Wilford <kenwilfy@COMCAST.NET> >>>>>Reply-To: Kenneth Wilford <kenwilfy@COMCAST.NET> >>>>>To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM >>>>>Subject: Re: Vanagon Bush Guard /Bumpers >>>>>Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 13:41:58 -0500 >>>>> >>>>>If you look on our website on the accessories page you >>will see the >>>>>Projektzwo bull bars that we sell. I can only tell you >>about them that >>>> >>>>>one of my customers hit an antelope with one and it bent >>the bull bar >>>>>some but the front of the van was unhurt. Pretty tough. >>Then they >>>>>just bent the bumper back again (torch and welding >>equipment required) >>>>>and they were good to go. Just FYI. >>>>> >>>>>Thanks, >>>>>Ken Wilford >>>>>John 3:16 >>>>>http://www.vanagain.com >>>>>http://www.strictlyvwauctions.com >>>>>Phone: (856)-327-4936 >>>>>Fax: (856)-327-2242 >>>>> >>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>From: Vanagon Mailing List >>[mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com] On Behalf >>>> >>>>>Of robertmstewart >>>>>Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 12:28 PM >>>>>To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM >>>>>Subject: Re: Vanagon Bush Guard /Bumpers >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Anyone know if all of these bush guards or rear guards >>actually do >>>>>>anything to protect the van in event of an accident?, >>some look like >>>> >>>>>>it might do more damage. >>>>>> >>>>>> I have seem some of these things mounted in Jeep?s >>and some appear >>>>>>to >>>>> >>>>>>attached to very weak areas. I just wonder what would >>happened if I >>>>>>rear ended someone (or hit a tree or deer) with one of >>these things >>>>>>on >>>>> >>>>>>what kind of protection it would offer the front end >>of the van, the >>>> >>>>>>driver and front passenger? >>>>>> >>>>>>Can the front of the Van truly be protected from >>damage from a high >>>>>>impact accident with a bush guard? >>>>>> >>>>>>Are they worth their high costs? >>>>>> >>>>>>What?s their benefit other than looking cool? >>>>>> >>>>>>What?s the best unit available and from what dealer? >>>>>> >>>>>>Robert >>>>>>NYC >>>>>>89 Carat >>>>>>---------- >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Anyone had any experience with Fast Forward Vanagon >>Bush Bumpers?. >>>>>>Is >>>>> >>>>>>there a cheaper option available? >>>>>> >>>>>>Thanks >>>>>> >>>>>>Noel >>>>>>82 Westy >>>> >>>>____________________________________________________________ >>_____ >>>>Browse styles for all ages, from the latest looks to cozy >>weekend wear >>>>at MSN Shopping. 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