Date:         Sun, 14 Dec 2003 13:36:20 -0700
Reply-To:     Bob Stevens <mtbiker62@HOTMAIL.COM>
Sender:       Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From:         Bob Stevens <mtbiker62@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject:      Re: Vanagon list use and generally accepted rules./Rules? What
              Rules???
Comments: To: zolo <zolo@FOXINTERNET.NET>
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Zolo, when you joined this list you got a long message from Tom C. Included
in that long email was:
+------------+
|  Archives  |
+------------+

Contributions sent to this list are automatically archived. You can get a
list of the available archive files by sending an "INDEX vanagon" command
to LISTSERV@GERRY.VANAGON.COM. You can then order these files with a "GET
vanagon LOGxxxx" command, or using ListServ's database search facilities.
Send an "INFO DATABASE" command for more information on the latter.

Web archives are available at:
    http://gerry.vanagon.com/archives/vanagon.html

I just copied and pasted that because I saved it, as the directions
suggested.
Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: "zolo" <zolo@FOXINTERNET.NET>
To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2003 1:11 PM
Subject: Re: Vanagon list use and generally accepted rules./Rules? What
Rules???


> How do you find "archive"?  I have looked a few times and found none with
> that name.  Where is it?  Am I missing something?
> Zoltan
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "George Goff" <THX0001@AOL.COM>
> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
> Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2003 9:33 AM
> Subject: Re: Vanagon list use and generally accepted rules./Rules? What
> Rules???
>
>
> > In a message dated 12/14/03 11:31:00 AM, vwnut@HAWKCOMPUTING.COM writes:
> >
> > << Why do people waste their time telling me to search the archives?
> > If you don't want to share your opinion and knowledge please don't. >>
> >
> > For more than one reason, it has always bothered me to see people
> > directed
> to
> > that morass known as the list archive.  An archive is supposed to have
> some
> > manner of order and ease of use.  And, it is also supposed to be
> > regulated
> by
> > an archivist.  The list archive has none of these elements, so let's
> > call
> it
> > what it really is: a data dump.
> >
> > To direct someone to a furtive and, perhaps, futile search of the list
> > archive could mean hours of their precious life whenever their inquiry
> > can
> be
> > answered by someone spending a few minutes to compose an e-mail.
> > Replying
> to their
> > plea for help by condemning them to the "archive" smacks of the kind of
> > arrogance which is opposed to the spirit of this list.
> >
> > Perhaps it is time to totally delete the bloated contents of the list
> > "archive" and start anew.
> >
> > George
>