Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 20:11:56 -0800
Reply-To: David Marshall <vanagon@VOLKSWAGEN.ORG>
Sender: Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From: David Marshall <vanagon@VOLKSWAGEN.ORG>
Subject: Re: TiiCo California Smog Legal!
In-Reply-To: <555AFA06-47C3-11D8-BF2F-000A958E5A98@mac.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Look at what you wrote a little closer. First you say there is no
electrical hook-ups and then you say that each injector is controlled
electrically. Doesn't that mean there are electrical connectors? On an
2.0L Audi 80/90 with K-Motronic there is NO electrical connections at all to
the fuel injectors - the amount of fuel flow in controlled by the fuel
distributor which is mounted on the air box. The more pressure to the
injectors the more fuel they squirt. On the Motronic setup like the TiiCo
system the delivery rate of the injector is static over time. The only way
to inject more fuel is to open the injector longer. I can see every reason
why a fuel rail would make a difference in this example - they are
completely different fuel systems and the ECUs do complete different jobs.
So again I have to disagree with you about using a different ECU. Here's a
quick question for you. Don't worry as I already know the answer. How many
electrical pins are there on the TiiCo ECU? The answer is 45 pins and that
can be verified by going to the Yahoo Groups web site and going to the files
section where someone has been so kind to map out the pins of the ECU. This
ECU has the same pin out arrangement as the Canadian Golf CL - so if you
don't trust the yahoo group, check the 1993-1998 Golf / Jetta Bentley
manual. The Audi 80 ECU has 35 pins. You can't physically plug it into a
TiiCo harness - it just doesn't fit.
The only thing that is *possibly* true from your statement is NOW Tiico is
selling people who have to meet California CARB specs a *completely*
different fuel injection system than their "original" kit. But, to date, I
have not have heard from anyone that this is true. If someone could verify
this it would be great. But I know of many people who have received the EO
docs from TiiCo for their motor and they do not have the K-Motronic system
found in the Audi 80/90 and as tested in the vehicle that TiiCo gave the
CARB for the EO.
Sorry... but what you are saying is just physically impossible to do.
David Marshall
Fast Forward Automotive Inc.
4356 Quesnel-Hixon Road
Quesnel BC Canada V2J 6Z3
http://www.fastforward.ca mailto:sales@fastforward.ca
Phone: (250) 992 7775 FAX: (250) 992 1160
- Vanagon Accessories and Engine Conversions
- Vanagon, Transporter and Iltis Sales and Importation
- European Lighting for most Volkswagen models
Due to the large volume of email we receive, PLEASE include previous
emails when responding. This will allow us to read the complete dialogue
in one message and will result in quicker and more accurate responses.
-----Original Message-----
From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com]On Behalf
Of Kim Brennan
Sent: January 15, 2004 5:29 PM
To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
Subject: Re: TiiCo California Smog Legal!
I don't see any reason why a fuel rail should make any difference.
The fuelrail used on my Tiico has no electrical hookups. That is
>DIFFERENT< than the fuelrail used on my 5 cylinder. The fuelrail I'm
using on my Tiico just does away with the individual fuels lines to
each cylinder. Each injector is still controlled separately with its
own set of wires to it.
On my 5 cylinder engine, the fuelrail gets the electrical signal and
distributes it to the injectors.
Again, for CARB approval its entirely possible that Tiico is selling a
different ECU.