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Date:         Fri, 23 Jan 2004 02:55:10 -0800
Reply-To:     Damon Campbell <damoncampbellvw@YAHOO.COM>
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From:         Damon Campbell <damoncampbellvw@YAHOO.COM>
Subject:      Re: Cylinder hone -conclusion?
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So in my PNW hippy way, it seems that you could both be right, just at different points in the pistons travel.

One has to see that the conrod angle pushes the piston down on the power stroke and up on the return stroke. The effect of this "non-axial" force is greatest at 90* from TDC, right? Which just happens to occur lower in the piston... Increased force... bigger taper lower down... Personally, i see a connection.

However, this doesn't really account for the effects right near TDC, where i am sure gravity plays a more significant role (although you don't need a very big vector to eclipse a 1lb force pushing down - about 3.4"^2 piston area. Even a mere 150psi compression test is 513.5lbs of force on the piston... inverse tangent of that, we get a whopping .002 degrees of offset conrod angle to exceed that 1lb slug). Two hundredths of a degree to equal one pound of force pushing down really isn't all that much!

Of course, any conrod offset will simply help the pro-gravity camp, but i feel pretty confident now that piston forces make the lions share of wear on the cylinder walls...

All i can say in conclusion, though, is peace and love man... peace and love.

Better living through science, -Damon

p.s. i've only ever built one engine, and have never measured bore, taper, or anything like that, so take the above commentary for what it is... armchair mechanics. Except my chair doesn't have arms...

--- John Connolly <john@AIRCOOLED.NET> wrote:

> But all of this beats around the fact that gravity > IS an issue, and is a > prime contributor to the ovaling of VW cylinders in > the Flat-4 engine. If it > wasn't an issue, then the cylinders would be round > because of the offset > wrist pin, RIGHT? ;-) But I've found they are not > round, they oval out, with > the larger dimensions top/bottom instead of > side/side. > > I will concede that I have not measured the > cylinders on wasser engines,

===== '84 Westy (Sparky) w/2.3L WBX (wow... it actually works!)

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