Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 14:34:49 -0500
Reply-To: "Daniel L. Katz" <katzd54@YAHOO.COM>
Sender: Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From: "Daniel L. Katz" <katzd54@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: gas prices..
on any given day the price of a commodity, such as unleaded gasoline, is
determined by many factors. perhaps oil companies have been overcharging
at the pump lately, i don't know.
nevertheless, consider these facts:
united states petroleum production peaked in 1970, about 80% of our
original, one time allotment of petroleum has been consumed, and the point
is being reached where it takes almost as much energy to produce petroleum
as is derived from the petroleum - this in the face of a population
exploding at better than 1%/y, mainly fueld by mass immigration.
world petroleum is 50% consumed, the year of peak production will occur
within a few years (so far 2000 has been the peak year, so maybe it has
already past), production will fall rapidly after that, and in just a few
decades world production will be down to that of just the west in 2003,
with what consequences for conflict and hardship in a world with an
exploding population we can only imagine. and once world production starts
down, petroleum prices will become inelastic and not obey ordinary
economic theory, no matter how expensive it gets.
so, i would just enjoy the cheap gas while we have it, understand that
passing the Hubbert Peak in world oil production is a pivotal moment in
human history, and whether you drive a big block chevy or a vanagon, drive
a lot or a little, will have no effect on the large scale processes now
underway.
dlk
On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 13:28:30 -0500, Eric Zeno <vw4x4@FYI.NET> wrote:
>Gas is way to cheap. AS long as Chevy still sells the big
>vehicles, it will remain cheap at any price. As for Vanagons
>this is one reason I stayed with a small displacement engine
>swap, 1.8L inline. This is also why I have a Jetta.
>The higher the price the less the fat heads can aford.
>If your that brain dead to by a Chevy, thats the only way
>your going to learn. The higher the price the better off
>we are.
>
> ERic
>
>JordanVw@AOL.COM wrote:
>
>>i usually dont fwd stuff i get in mass mailings to the list, but i
thought
>>this one was interesting.. as for vanagon content - my vanagon runs
on gas :<
>>)
>>
>>anyway, here it be..
>>
>>------------------------fwd--------------------------
>>
>>
>>Subject: Gasoline prices
>>this may work!
>>I hear we are going to hit close to $3.00 a gallon by the summer. Want
>>gasoline prices to come down? We need to take some intelligent, united
>>action. Phillip Hollsworth, offered this good idea:
>> This makes MUCH MORE SENSE than the "don't buy gas on a certain
>>day" campaign that was going around last April or May! The oil companies
>>
>>just laughed at that because they knew we wouldn't continue to "hurt"
>>ourselves by refusing to buy gas. It was more of an inconvenience to us
>>
>>than it was a problem for them.
>>BUT,whoever thought of this idea, has come up with a plan that can
>>really
>>work.
>>Please read it and join with us .By now you're probably thinking
>>gasoline
>>priced at about $1.50 is super cheap. Me too! It is currently $1.97 for
>>regular unleaded in my town Now that the oil companies and the OPEC
>>nations have conditioned us to think that the cost of a gallon of gas is
>>
>>CHEAP at $1.50- $1.75, we need to take aggressive action to teach them
>>that BUYERS control the marketplace....not sellers. With the price of
>>gasoline
>>going up more each day, we consumers need to take action. The only way
>>we are going to see the price of gas come down is if we hit someone in
>>the pocketbook by not purchasing their gas! And we can do that WITHOUT
>>hurting ourselves. How? Since we all rely on our cars, we can't just
>>stop
>>buying gas. But we CAN have an impact on gas prices if we all act
>>together to force a price war. Here's the idea: For the rest of this
>>year, DON'T purchase ANY gasoline from the two biggest companies (which
>>now are one), EXXON and MOBIL. If they are not selling any gas, they
>>will
>>be inclined to reduce their prices. If they reduce their prices, the
>>other
>>companies will have to follow suit. But to have an impact, we need to
>>reach literally millions of Exxon and Mobil gas buyers.
>>
>>
>>
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