Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 16:58:01 -0500
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From: "Thomas, Geoffrey" <Geoffrey.Thomas1@DEFENCE.GOV.AU>
Subject: unclas gas prices.. and what they'll be this summer
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Or this. Depends what your feed stocks are. Lots of coal out there.
From the New Zealand Press Association Feb04
ASSOCIATE ENERGY MINISTER LAUNCHES 'HYDROGEN TO ELECTRICITY' PROJECT
Associate Energy Minister, Harry Duynhoven, will today launch the first
step in a multi-million New Zealand research project designed to produce
hydrogen from coal for electricity generation, via fuel cells.
The Minister will feed the first coal into a pilot gasifer which
generates hydrogen gas for use in an alkaline fuel cell for electricity
production.
Hydrogen can be produced from water (using electricity) and from coal or
natural gas. With more than 10 billion tonnes of coal reserves, the
equivalent of 50 original Maui gasfields and almost all ideal for hydrogen
production, New Zealand is positioned to be a leader in the development of
the hydrogen energy economy.
The research project commenced in June 2002 with a $6 million Government
investment through the Foundation for Research, Science and Technology
(FRST) to CRL Energy Ltd, which has expertise in coal gasification and gas
clean-up, and Industrial Research Ltd, with expertise in gas clean-up and
fuel cells. Unitec and the University of Canterbury""'s Department of
Chemical and Process Engineering are sub-contractors to the programme. Coal
producer, Solid Energy New Zealand is providing additional support.
Solid Energy and the Coal Association of New Zealand have also initiated
and invested in related areas of advanced technological and environmental
issues. These include developing a hydrogen roadmap for the coal industry
and technologies and options for managing the CO2 by-product of hydrogen
production from coal.
Geoff Thomas
From: David Brodbeck [mailto:gull@GULL.US]
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 4:30 PM
To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
Subject: Re: [VANAGON] gas prices.. and what they'll be this summer
On Wed, 25 Feb 2004, Tom Miller wrote:
> Hydrogen technology is the only practical way to get the crude oil whores
> off our backs.
It sounds great until you realize the only viable way to get large amounts
of hydrogen is to extract it from natural gas or petroleum. At that point
you realize hydrogen puts us back where we started, except with a lower
overall efficiency.
David Brodbeck, N8SRE
'82 Volkswagen Diesel Westfalia
'86 Volvo 240DL wagon
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