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Date:         Wed, 17 Mar 2004 09:22:24 -0800
Reply-To:     warmerwagen@HOTMAIL.COM
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From:         Robert Keezer <warmerwagen@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject:      User Friendly?? (was " you fixed it with what?!")
Comments: To: Mike Blotz <Mike.Blotz@PEARLIZUMI.COM>
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For all the merits of Diesel, it has some big drawbacks still. I like the economy and versatility(ie, veg oil etc.) However, it is not popular here in the US for several reasons that have nothing to do with economy or big oil conspiracy. I don't work for big oil, but if it wasn't for "big oil", we wouldn't be having this discussion I might point out.

First, the fuel. It is not user friendly. It evaporates slowly and stains permanently. So if you spill some on your shoes or dress you will smell it all day .

Gasoline evaporates faster and yes, you will smell it a long time also but the smell will wash out easier . The noise of Diesel. When I hear Diesel pick-up truck coming down my street my first thought is where's the fire? Some are as loud as firetrucks.

Diesels are noisy beasts though VW has made theirs relatively quiet.

Yet, when my sister's New Beetle TDI arrives here I can hear it out on the street through double insulated STD 35 rated glass windows. I can't hear the gas Jetta.

Since I work on my own vehicles ,if I had a Diesel here my neighbors would be all over me just starting it up top run to the store after ten. I can barely get away with idling a gas engine as it is now.

Not the kind of neighbor you can tell to "get used to it" either.

And finally the smell of exhaust-much more noticeable in Diesel than a optimized air/fuel ratio FI gas engine. Your neighbors who have Diesel engines that let them idle like they were truckers- let's hear just how much you love them.

I bet you are like most of us- we don't like the noise and smell of Diesel. Most of us(75 %) of Americans live in an urban /suburban area. You on the farm will disagree.

Take this to the other choice of fuels, like veg oil.

Now what if your Diesel neighbors smell like McDonalds is next door, and you don't eat hamburgers or French fries? You're a veg head or on a low fat , low carb, low protein no fun diet?

Furthermore, Diesel is not very available here. Out of five local gas stations near my house, only one has Diesel. And only one pump out of ten for gas. Which means I have to waste that fuel mileage Diesel offers looking for a pump.

Notice that I did'nt down the Diesel engine itself - just the affects. Maybe this has more to do with why we don't like and drive Diesels. The price of Diesel is'nt so hot either, and there is no guarantee it will be any more affordable is the demand goes up.

And though the first Diesel was made by a German named Diesel, the first automobile was invented by by a Frenchman named Cugnot.

And the steam engine no one wants to see make a come back -no matter what the economy!

Your comments and opinions pro or con are welcomed.

Robert

1982 Westfalia

----- Original Message ----- Wrom: OBUZXUWLSZLKBRNVWWCUFPEGAUTFJMVRESKPNKMB To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM> Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 8:23 AM Subject: Re: " you fixed it with what?!"

but america is about the only country in the world where we rely on gasoline more so than diesel!--so that sounds alil fishy to me. I for one am planning a tierra del fuego trip--and diesel is on my list of wants for vehicle support (although it looks like the subi syncro is gonna be the one). I'm a big bio-diesel advocate though. actually have some friends over in india right now who are importing a diesel royal enfield motorcycle if all goes well. diesel will run on what ever kind of crap you put in em as long as there are no big particles flooating around.

gotta remember rudolf diesel originally designed his motor to run on peanut oil. for some strange reason he disappeared on his way to america with his invention (think that is right). hmm--almost sounds like some kind of oil company/government conspiracy dont it--better shut up now.

but yes--VW does frown on running bio-diesel or pure vegetable oil--they dont ever really have to know do they? as much as i like bio-diesel--I'm leaning more towards pour vege oil--all you do is dump it in and your ready to roll

now--if we could just get the visions of really poorly designed 80's american black smoke billowing diesels ou tof everyones heads and let them see that diesels really can be clean burning machines. not much has changed here--does anyone really need a 7.3L diesel to get grocery's with?

ok--quiet now


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