Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 23:03:50 -0400
Reply-To: Eric Zeno <vw4x4@FYI.NET>
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From: Eric Zeno <vw4x4@FYI.NET>
Subject: Re: State of the Art in Engine Swaps is....?
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Pat,
You got it right.... all except the tight wad part. There are
times when I've had the Sh^t sued out from under me. I never know
what is next, and no sense keeping it because someone, is going to
spend more money on you for a lawyer and win. .....re a...no one
wins in a law suite...its who loses less, in legal fees.
Anyway, I did put some time and homemade parts in mine. Well
worth it. Gives you braggin rights. Re-wiring is fun. Weeding out
the bugs 100 miles away from your tool box is the next big fun thing.
Any engine swap will have problems. No one should do this
unless they are personally going to be involved. Forget paying
someone to do the work. It will no get done right, and the cost is not
worth it. If your going to pay some one, still to the original engine
its cheaper.
Eric 86-VW4x4
vw4x4@fyi.net 86-SS Syncro
Pittsburgh, PA USA 1936-Chrysler
92-Jetta GWC
www.fyi.net/~vw4x4/vw4x4.htm
On Tue, 6 Apr 2004, pat wrote:
> Get the Kennedy Kit for $500, buy a Jetta parts car with Digifant motor
> complete for $200.
> Sell the remaining Jetta parts for 3-$400.
> Thats where I'm at now. Probably got about 2-$300 invested in it.
> Mig welded a motor carrier, $20 in scrap steel.
> Got the exhaust from an old Volvo, cut the pipes and elbows to fit the
> Vanagon. Did I mention how much owning a MIG welder helps?
>
> I'm not done yet, but all the parts are there waiting for me to get to it.
> If you are a tighwad like me or Eric, you can get this done for less than a
> grand. Hell, I saw a Vanagon in the junkyard with KEP adapter and rabbit
> motor ready to go. Probably could of got everything for $200.
> Even if you have to buy KEP new, still not bad. The only thing that cost
> the big bucks is the adapter kit.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Stan Wilder" <wilden1-1@SBCGLOBAL.NET>
> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 3:04 PM
> Subject: Re: State of the Art in Engine Swaps is....?
>
>
> > That's really great!
> > Please explain to the other 1400 list members how they can get the same
> > deal.
> >
> > Stan
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: vw4x4@fyi.net [mailto:vw4x4@fyi.net]
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 1:11 PM
> > To: Stan Wilder
> > Cc: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> > Subject: Re: State of the Art in Engine Swaps is....?
> >
> >
> > Stan...etal,
> > MY complete engine swap cost less than $1000.00.
> > Eric
> >
> > Stan Wilder wrote:
> >
> > If you're going to do an engine swap you need to love your Vanagon
> somewhere
> > between $3000.00 and $10,000 worth.
> > The least expensive is a half life Subaru engine conversion that normally
> > runs $3000.00 by the time it's completed.
> > I don't know anything about Tiico conversions but I think the complete
> setup
> > can be $7500.00
> > If you've got a 5000 pound + Westy you can consider that it weighs as much
> > as a 2004 Full Sized Extended Cab 3/4 Ton Dodge Pickup truck with around
> 260
> > HP.
> > Your power isn't going to impress anybody but you.
> >
> > Stan Wilder
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com]On Behalf
> > Of David Brodbeck
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 12:26 PM
> > To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> > Subject: Re: State of the Art in Engine Swaps is....?
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 6 Apr 2004, tomdurkin wrote:
> >
> > The Volvo B-230 is exactly what you say, and it can easily
> > last 400,000 miles or more with routine maintainance. I
> > believe the other options mentioned in this thread cannot
> > make that claim. I would be very interested in more
> > information about this conversion, I can see a intercooled
> > B-230FT with 180 hp moving a Vanagon up hill very nicely.
> >
> > Unfortunately I don't have more information about it; I just know that
> > Kennedy Engineering makes (or used to make?) an adapter plate. You'd be
> > on your own for engine mounts, but at least the Volvo mount system is
> > pretty simple. You could probably fab something up using carrier bars,
> > similar to what a VW diesel Vanagon uses. Exhaust shouldn't be too big a
> > challenge, just bend some pipe to route from the Volvo manifold around to
> > a single muffler in the rear, like the diesels use. If you can make the
> > muffler mounts part of the engine mounts, as VW did for the diesel, or
> > mount them to the engine block, you avoid having to use any flex pipes.
> >
> > I have no idea if the engine would fit under the decklid.
> >
> > I think the sole advantage a B230 would have over a VW inline 4 is low end
> > grunt. It's the torquiest I-4 I've driven. It reminds me a lot of a
> > 4-cyl boxer engine that way. When you're moving a heavy van, having a
> > torque peak at relatively low RPM is important.
> >
> >
> > David Brodbeck, N8SRE
> > '82 Volkswagen Diesel Westfalia
> > '86 Volvo 240DL wagon
> >
>
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