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Date:         Tue, 6 Apr 2004 23:06:24 -0400
Reply-To:     Eric Zeno <vw4x4@FYI.NET>
Sender:       Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From:         Eric Zeno <vw4x4@FYI.NET>
Subject:      Re: State of the Art in Engine Swaps is....?
Comments: To: Stan Wilder <wilden1-1@SBCGLOBAL.NET>
In-Reply-To:  <LNEGIFOFAGFAMGHJMFKBAEAICEAA.wilden1-1@sbcglobal.net>
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My point exactly..... but the Swap I did didn't have an engine at all, when I got it....

Eric 86-VW4x4 vw4x4@fyi.net 86-SS Syncro Pittsburgh, PA USA 1936-Chrysler 92-Jetta GWC www.fyi.net/~vw4x4/vw4x4.htm

On Tue, 6 Apr 2004, Stan Wilder wrote:

> Dear etal, > My complete engine rebuild on my 83 Air Cooled Westy cost less than $1000.00 > but that was with me slaving for a week running parts to machine shops, > picking up UPS heads and sweating like a pig in August installing it. > However I dig get another 145K out of the Westy before I sold it. > > Stan > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com]On Behalf > Of Mike Miller > Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 2:20 PM > To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM > Subject: Re: State of the Art in Engine Swaps is....? > > > Yeah, but you're handy and know what you're doing. Most of the rest of us > have to hire out a bunch and buy kits, etc. > > Mike > > On 4/6/04 11:10 AM, "Eric Zeno" <vw4x4@FYI.NET> wrote: > > > Stan...etal, > > MY complete engine swap cost less than $1000.00. > > Eric > > > > Stan Wilder wrote: > > > >> If you're going to do an engine swap you need to love your Vanagon > somewhere > >> between $3000.00 and $10,000 worth. > >> The least expensive is a half life Subaru engine conversion that normally > >> runs $3000.00 by the time it's completed. > >> I don't know anything about Tiico conversions but I think the complete > setup > >> can be $7500.00 > >> If you've got a 5000 pound + Westy you can consider that it weighs as > much > >> as a 2004 Full Sized Extended Cab 3/4 Ton Dodge Pickup truck with around > 260 > >> HP. > >> Your power isn't going to impress anybody but you. > >> > >> Stan Wilder > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com]On Behalf > >> Of David Brodbeck > >> Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 12:26 PM > >> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM > >> Subject: Re: State of the Art in Engine Swaps is....? > >> > >> > >> On Tue, 6 Apr 2004, tomdurkin wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>> The Volvo B-230 is exactly what you say, and it can easily > >>> last 400,000 miles or more with routine maintainance. I > >>> believe the other options mentioned in this thread cannot > >>> make that claim. I would be very interested in more > >>> information about this conversion, I can see a intercooled > >>> B-230FT with 180 hp moving a Vanagon up hill very nicely. > >>> > >>> > >> > >> Unfortunately I don't have more information about it; I just know that > >> Kennedy Engineering makes (or used to make?) an adapter plate. You'd be > >> on your own for engine mounts, but at least the Volvo mount system is > >> pretty simple. You could probably fab something up using carrier bars, > >> similar to what a VW diesel Vanagon uses. Exhaust shouldn't be too big a > >> challenge, just bend some pipe to route from the Volvo manifold around to > >> a single muffler in the rear, like the diesels use. If you can make the > >> muffler mounts part of the engine mounts, as VW did for the diesel, or > >> mount them to the engine block, you avoid having to use any flex pipes. > >> > >> I have no idea if the engine would fit under the decklid. > >> > >> I think the sole advantage a B230 would have over a VW inline 4 is low > end > >> grunt. It's the torquiest I-4 I've driven. It reminds me a lot of a > >> 4-cyl boxer engine that way. When you're moving a heavy van, having a > >> torque peak at relatively low RPM is important. > >> > >> > >> David Brodbeck, N8SRE > >> '82 Volkswagen Diesel Westfalia > >> '86 Volvo 240DL wagon > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > >


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