Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 23:06:24 -0400
Reply-To: Eric Zeno <vw4x4@FYI.NET>
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From: Eric Zeno <vw4x4@FYI.NET>
Subject: Re: State of the Art in Engine Swaps is....?
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My point exactly..... but the Swap I did didn't have an engine
at all, when I got it....
Eric 86-VW4x4
vw4x4@fyi.net 86-SS Syncro
Pittsburgh, PA USA 1936-Chrysler
92-Jetta GWC
www.fyi.net/~vw4x4/vw4x4.htm
On Tue, 6 Apr 2004, Stan Wilder wrote:
> Dear etal,
> My complete engine rebuild on my 83 Air Cooled Westy cost less than $1000.00
> but that was with me slaving for a week running parts to machine shops,
> picking up UPS heads and sweating like a pig in August installing it.
> However I dig get another 145K out of the Westy before I sold it.
>
> Stan
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com]On Behalf
> Of Mike Miller
> Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 2:20 PM
> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> Subject: Re: State of the Art in Engine Swaps is....?
>
>
> Yeah, but you're handy and know what you're doing. Most of the rest of us
> have to hire out a bunch and buy kits, etc.
>
> Mike
>
> On 4/6/04 11:10 AM, "Eric Zeno" <vw4x4@FYI.NET> wrote:
>
> > Stan...etal,
> > MY complete engine swap cost less than $1000.00.
> > Eric
> >
> > Stan Wilder wrote:
> >
> >> If you're going to do an engine swap you need to love your Vanagon
> somewhere
> >> between $3000.00 and $10,000 worth.
> >> The least expensive is a half life Subaru engine conversion that normally
> >> runs $3000.00 by the time it's completed.
> >> I don't know anything about Tiico conversions but I think the complete
> setup
> >> can be $7500.00
> >> If you've got a 5000 pound + Westy you can consider that it weighs as
> much
> >> as a 2004 Full Sized Extended Cab 3/4 Ton Dodge Pickup truck with around
> 260
> >> HP.
> >> Your power isn't going to impress anybody but you.
> >>
> >> Stan Wilder
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com]On Behalf
> >> Of David Brodbeck
> >> Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 12:26 PM
> >> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> >> Subject: Re: State of the Art in Engine Swaps is....?
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, 6 Apr 2004, tomdurkin wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> The Volvo B-230 is exactly what you say, and it can easily
> >>> last 400,000 miles or more with routine maintainance. I
> >>> believe the other options mentioned in this thread cannot
> >>> make that claim. I would be very interested in more
> >>> information about this conversion, I can see a intercooled
> >>> B-230FT with 180 hp moving a Vanagon up hill very nicely.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> Unfortunately I don't have more information about it; I just know that
> >> Kennedy Engineering makes (or used to make?) an adapter plate. You'd be
> >> on your own for engine mounts, but at least the Volvo mount system is
> >> pretty simple. You could probably fab something up using carrier bars,
> >> similar to what a VW diesel Vanagon uses. Exhaust shouldn't be too big a
> >> challenge, just bend some pipe to route from the Volvo manifold around to
> >> a single muffler in the rear, like the diesels use. If you can make the
> >> muffler mounts part of the engine mounts, as VW did for the diesel, or
> >> mount them to the engine block, you avoid having to use any flex pipes.
> >>
> >> I have no idea if the engine would fit under the decklid.
> >>
> >> I think the sole advantage a B230 would have over a VW inline 4 is low
> end
> >> grunt. It's the torquiest I-4 I've driven. It reminds me a lot of a
> >> 4-cyl boxer engine that way. When you're moving a heavy van, having a
> >> torque peak at relatively low RPM is important.
> >>
> >>
> >> David Brodbeck, N8SRE
> >> '82 Volkswagen Diesel Westfalia
> >> '86 Volvo 240DL wagon
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
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