Date:         Fri, 2 Apr 2004 19:47:28 -0600
Reply-To:     David King <dlking58@EARTHLINK.NET>
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From:         David King <dlking58@EARTHLINK.NET>
Subject:      Re: [NVC] Bicycles - Was - Re: re drafting big rig
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Im afraid i'd have to agree with David here.  On a recent tuesday evening I
had to spend some time downtown near the campus of a major university.  In
the course of about 30 minutes I saw 4 or 5 different bicyclists blow
through red lights, ride against traffic and ride in the center left turn
lane.  And these were adults not kids .  I used to ride more when I was able
and with gas approaching  two bucks a gallon here and being unemployed, I
will probably have to start riding more.  Which means I will being on the
receiving end of the horn and other assorted obsence hand gestures.  Ive had
motorists cuss me make and disparaging remarks about my weight.   Especially
the part of me that rides on the seat.  Dave.----- Original Message -----
From: "tom ring" <taring@TARING.ORG>
To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 6:41 PM
Subject: [NVC] Bicycles - Was - Re: re drafting big rig


> I don't think hate is far off the mark in many cities.
>
> In Minneapolis the bike riders downtown, never, and I mean that very
seriously,
> never, obey the traffic laws, and get pissed if you remind them of it, to
the
> extent that that they are abusive, obscene, and may even kick your car.
>
> I think hate is right on point, unfortunately.
>
> tom
>
> On 2 Apr 2004 at 8:18, Joseph Fortino wrote:
>
> > hate is a big word, try and not use it. anyway I share the road and obey
laws
> > just as much as cars do. and ride on a 12 inch wide area for miles maybe
less but
> > if i'm traffic please don't kill me for it.
> >
> > I think it all boils down to understanding of eachother.
> >
> > just my view since my life is in the hands of whatever 2tons wants to do
when
> > behind the wheel. even peds have issues
> >
> > drive safe
> > Joe
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: David Brodbeck <gull@GULL.US>
> > Sent: Apr 2, 2004 7:12 AM
> > To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> > Subject: Re: re drafting big rig
> >
> > On Fri, 2 Apr 2004, Andrew Grebneff wrote:
> >
> > > Don't they have a speed limit for bicycles there? Here it's 24kmh,
> > > not that bicyclists are interested in obeying it (or any other road
> > > law, for that matter, or "no cycling' signs).
> >
> > In the U.S. bicyclists are supposed to obey the same speed limits as
cars.
> > Traditionally bicycles ignore all traffic laws, including stop signs,
> > though, which is why so many motorists hate them.
> >
> >
> > David Brodbeck, N8SRE
> > '82 Volkswagen Diesel Westfalia
> > '86 Volvo 240DL wagon
> >
>
>
> ------
> Tom Ring K0TAR, ex-WA2PHW  EN34hx
> 85 Westphalia GL Albert
> 96 Jetta GL The Intimidator
> taring@taring.org
>
> "It is better to go into a turn slow, and come out fast, than to go into a
turn fast
> and come out dead." Stirling Moss