Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 16:12:42 -0500
Reply-To: Stan Wilder <wilden1-1@SBCGLOBAL.NET>
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From: Stan Wilder <wilden1-1@SBCGLOBAL.NET>
Subject: Re: State of the Art in Engine Swaps is....?
In-Reply-To: <BC9850DB.2BDE%mwmiller@cwnet.com>
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Dear etal,
My complete engine rebuild on my 83 Air Cooled Westy cost less than $1000.00
but that was with me slaving for a week running parts to machine shops,
picking up UPS heads and sweating like a pig in August installing it.
However I dig get another 145K out of the Westy before I sold it.
Stan
-----Original Message-----
From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com]On Behalf
Of Mike Miller
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 2:20 PM
To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
Subject: Re: State of the Art in Engine Swaps is....?
Yeah, but you're handy and know what you're doing. Most of the rest of us
have to hire out a bunch and buy kits, etc.
Mike
On 4/6/04 11:10 AM, "Eric Zeno" <vw4x4@FYI.NET> wrote:
> Stan...etal,
> MY complete engine swap cost less than $1000.00.
> Eric
>
> Stan Wilder wrote:
>
>> If you're going to do an engine swap you need to love your Vanagon
somewhere
>> between $3000.00 and $10,000 worth.
>> The least expensive is a half life Subaru engine conversion that normally
>> runs $3000.00 by the time it's completed.
>> I don't know anything about Tiico conversions but I think the complete
setup
>> can be $7500.00
>> If you've got a 5000 pound + Westy you can consider that it weighs as
much
>> as a 2004 Full Sized Extended Cab 3/4 Ton Dodge Pickup truck with around
260
>> HP.
>> Your power isn't going to impress anybody but you.
>>
>> Stan Wilder
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com]On Behalf
>> Of David Brodbeck
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 12:26 PM
>> To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
>> Subject: Re: State of the Art in Engine Swaps is....?
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 6 Apr 2004, tomdurkin wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> The Volvo B-230 is exactly what you say, and it can easily
>>> last 400,000 miles or more with routine maintainance. I
>>> believe the other options mentioned in this thread cannot
>>> make that claim. I would be very interested in more
>>> information about this conversion, I can see a intercooled
>>> B-230FT with 180 hp moving a Vanagon up hill very nicely.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Unfortunately I don't have more information about it; I just know that
>> Kennedy Engineering makes (or used to make?) an adapter plate. You'd be
>> on your own for engine mounts, but at least the Volvo mount system is
>> pretty simple. You could probably fab something up using carrier bars,
>> similar to what a VW diesel Vanagon uses. Exhaust shouldn't be too big a
>> challenge, just bend some pipe to route from the Volvo manifold around to
>> a single muffler in the rear, like the diesels use. If you can make the
>> muffler mounts part of the engine mounts, as VW did for the diesel, or
>> mount them to the engine block, you avoid having to use any flex pipes.
>>
>> I have no idea if the engine would fit under the decklid.
>>
>> I think the sole advantage a B230 would have over a VW inline 4 is low
end
>> grunt. It's the torquiest I-4 I've driven. It reminds me a lot of a
>> 4-cyl boxer engine that way. When you're moving a heavy van, having a
>> torque peak at relatively low RPM is important.
>>
>>
>> David Brodbeck, N8SRE
>> '82 Volkswagen Diesel Westfalia
>> '86 Volvo 240DL wagon
>>
>>
>>
>>
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