Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 08:28:32 -0500
Reply-To: Stan Wilder <wilden1-1@SBCGLOBAL.NET>
Sender: Vanagon Mailing List <vanagon@gerry.vanagon.com>
From: Stan Wilder <wilden1-1@SBCGLOBAL.NET>
Subject: Re: Oil cooler
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You got to ask yourself or the list and even the type2 list folks; How many
people are running the single aftermarket cooler?
There are things that work for 30 days but long term don't work out so good.
I'm going to say that the VW oil cooler configuration on my 76 Porsche 912e
at 28 years old and my 83 Westy at 21 years old were properly designed with
the cooler on the rear of the engine with a bypass valve in the filter mount
and bypass valves in the engine case.
I'm more that willing to sit back and wait for the long term reports to come
back from the folks that run the one accessory type cooler. (If you're not
personally running one you shouldn't just up and tell anybody else to take a
chance!)
When individuals install an external cooler using the EMPI sandwich plate
they seldom know that they are supposed to block the OEM oil bypass in the
oil filter mount. The EMPI and Bug Pack sandwich plate don't come with any
instructions.
If an accessory cooler is installed and the OEM cooler completely eliminated
I'd just guess that there needs to be provisions to raise the bypass
pressure in the oil filter mount.
So until I see viable scientific procedures that tell me that I can
eliminate the OEM oil cooler, OEM oil pressure bypass I'm going to stick
with the VW configuration.
As far as cooling air to the cylinders, I can only suggest that someone
install 4 CHT gauges and report back to us on their readings with stock
cooler and then with the new configuration.
Stan Wilder
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff at Vanagonparts" <jeff@VANAGONPARTS.COM>
To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 12:26 AM
Subject: Re: Oil cooler
> Stan,
>
> Is your concern oil temp or loss of air-flow cooling to the heads and
> cylinders? Because a good oil cooler with a thermo-switch controlled fan
> will keep the oil temp under control without a problem.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jeff
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stan Wilder [mailto:wilden1-1@sbcglobal.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 7:53 PM
> To: jeff@VANAGONPARTS.COM; vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> Subject: Re: Re: Oil cooler
>
>
> Correct!
> I gave my opinion and you have given yours.
> I've seen lots of things but 99% of the Vanagon and Type 4 engines I've
seen
> still need the OEM cooler.
> In either case the guy that puts the accessory cooler on and eliminates
the
> OEM cooler had better have an oil pressure gauge, oil temperature gauge
and
> even a cylinder head temp would be helpful.
>
> Stan Wilder
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeff at Vanagonparts" <jeff@VANAGONPARTS.COM>
> To: <vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 8:53 PM
> Subject: Re: Oil cooler
>
>
> > Stan, personal experience or opinion?
> >
> > I've seen many, many '72 - '83 vans out here in California run around
with
> > external coolers and an adapter in place of the original oil cooler. I
> > agree that it's better to leave the original cooler and add the
external,
> > but IMHO it's not a choice between putting the original cooler back and
> > spending a thousand on repairs.
> >
> > But that's just my opinion, and you know what they say about opinions...
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Jeff
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Vanagon Mailing List [mailto:vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM]On Behalf
> > Of Stan Wilder
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 6:27 PM
> > To: vanagon@GERRY.VANAGON.COM
> > Subject: Re: Oil cooler
> >
> >
> > Well spend the time putting the OEM cooler back in or spend a thousand
or
> so
> > later on.
> > It's your choice ............... leave Saturday.
> >
> > Stan Wilder
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